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      01-15-2015, 03:38 PM   #89
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Thanks,I am first on the list for an M2 at my dealer,so that would be perfect for when I would like to take delivery of the car.
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Just a hunch....I think Ford lit a fire under BMWs ass with how much love the GT350 has been getting, enough so that they pushed up the US production date of the M2. Competition favors the consumer and we win because of it.
Could be that but I have seen only one F80 M3 and one M4 in my neighborhood so far. E90/2 M3 was more frequent. However, 911s are all over the place and even Cayman is becoming more popular. Clearly, enthusiasts are switching to P. I have seen it over the last 12 mo on track and on the street. The most common gripe from the new P owners is the M3's size and weight. There is a review in the latest Roundel (!!!!!) of the 911 GTS 50th anniversary by the former BMW enthusiast and at the end of the article he summarizes why he decided to spend 100K on the car. Talk about free commercial and a kick in the ass.
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So the X4 M40i was supposed to start production December 2015, has that also been moved up? or maybe now pushed back as they will need the engines for the M2.
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P.S. I personally doubt that the car will start at 55k, but we'll see
I don't think it will either - but once you add LED lights and some 19s, I'm sure you will be in that range.
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      01-15-2015, 03:50 PM   #93
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I have no axe to grind, but I'm not really seeing what everyone is getting so excited for. I mean a 3,300-3,400 curb weight (not too different from the M3/4) and a tuned N55... and they put M badges on these things now?
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If production starts in November of 2015,when would dealers receive the first batch of cars?
The very first ones will be delivered in late February or early March - at least in the US that's how it worked for the 235.
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I have no axe to grind, but I'm not really seeing what everyone is getting so excited for. I mean a 3,300-3,400 curb weight (not too different from the M3/4) and a tuned N55... and they put M badges on these things now?
It's going to be smaller, a little less powerful, a little lighter, and more nimble. A more back to basics M car - the M3/4 are larger, more powerful, and have more options but have lost some of the charm of earlier M3s. Plus the aesthetics of the 2 will be preferred by some. Just depends on what you're after.

The M2 should be an attempt to give you that which has been lost, and in a modern design.

My main concern is that the engine won't be exciting enough. Some reviewers have said that about the S55 and the M2 won't get even that.
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ED Group ???

If there is an M2 ED group pickup for May, 2016 count me in.

Hopefully they'll add some fun colors like the renders we've seen.
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Just a hunch....I think Ford lit a fire under BMWs ass with how much love the GT350 has been getting, enough so that they pushed up the US production date of the M2. Competition favors the consumer and we win because of it.
Could be that but I have seen only one F80 M3 and one M4 in my neighborhood so far. E90/2 M3 was more frequent. However, 911s are all over the place and even Cayman is becoming more popular. Clearly, enthusiasts are switching to P. I have seen it over the last 12 mo on track and on the street. The most common gripe from the new P owners is the M3's size and weight. There is a review in the latest Roundel (!!!!!) of the 911 GTS 50th anniversary by the former BMW enthusiast and at the end of the article he summarizes why he decided to spend 100K on the car. Talk about free commercial and a kick in the ass.
M4s and 911s are not even in the same price range. A fully optioned M4 without CCBs is around 83K while a mid optioned 911S would be around 130K. That's a huge price difference.
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If there is an M2 ED group pickup for May, 2016 count me in.

Hopefully they'll add some fun colors like the renders we've seen.
+1 wishful thinking but that'd be nice for a Techno Violet color
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      01-15-2015, 05:08 PM   #100
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Hmm, M2 or GT350...
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Just a hunch....I think Ford lit a fire under BMWs ass with how much love the GT350 has been getting, enough so that they pushed up the US production date of the M2. Competition favors the consumer and we win because of it.
Could be that but I have seen only one F80 M3 and one M4 in my neighborhood so far. E90/2 M3 was more frequent. However, 911s are all over the place and even Cayman is becoming more popular. Clearly, enthusiasts are switching to P. I have seen it over the last 12 mo on track and on the street. The most common gripe from the new P owners is the M3's size and weight. There is a review in the latest Roundel (!!!!!) of the 911 GTS 50th anniversary by the former BMW enthusiast and at the end of the article he summarizes why he decided to spend 100K on the car. Talk about free commercial and a kick in the ass.
M4s and 911s are not even in the same price range. A fully optioned M4 without CCBs is around 83K while a mid optioned 911S would be around 130K. That's a huge price difference.
agree but don't forget pre-owned
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looks like BMW will sell a few more cars
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M badges everywhere now, in a few years there will be one in each bmw placed somewhere.
I expect the price difference between the m235 and m2 will be enough that you can tune the hell out the m235 and then some
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Disagree. On both counts.
The 1M was not more special than the E9x M3 because it had a standard turbo motor. It was very special because of its playful character, great handling, back to the basics approach. And it happened to be a limited run.


I disagree partially here. To some, the turbo motor was a massive differentiator and people welcomed the shorter chassis (for whatever reason) with a torquey motor.


While I'm super excited about the M2, I'm still waiting to see the final specs, including the price. I couldn't care less about standard features, don't want them. If you drive an F80, and then jump into the M235i, the size of the 2er felt so much more "right". It's so much more of a 1 to 1 replacement for my E36. That's not to say an F80 is off the menu for me.

I'll put it to you this way, I have a 1 series, had a 3... wish I could have a 3 again as it is a much better, much more stable chassis... the shorter chassis does nothing for the car other than make it more sloppy and squirrely. That very thing was said about the 1m. As far as weight, this is BMW... I wouldn't put any "weight on that".

P.S. I personally doubt that the car will start at 55k, but we'll see
Moral of the story, some preferred the 1M over the M3 for very good reasons... there is little reason to prefer the M2 over the M3 especially if pricing isn't far off. It would be a completely different discussion if it wasn't a motor that has been recycled 10 times now and the M3 wasn't vastly superior.
How can you accurately state something is "vastly superior" over something else when so you know so little about it?
It has to do with brand cannibalization... common sense and pricing stategies would dicate so.
Because something is priced higher than something else it must be superior? Because cannibalization?

An M5 is more expensive than an M3 so it must be "superior"?
In some instances yes. The M5 has a better and more powerful engine and is faster (at least in a straightline). Part of the market segment says that must be the case... albeit there is a much bigger difference between an m3 and an m5 than there will between the m2 and m3. For starters, the m5 weighs more than an aircraft carrier, so my preference still lays in the m3... no matter what you're still getting a retuned n55... this car may be better than an m3 at an autocross but it ends there.
We don't have any details about this engine. It could be more than just "retuned." I agree that the engine choice doesn't sound especially appealing, but I am reserving judgement until the final details are known.
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This needs to be around 3k lbs for it to be actually exciting
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So, how about scrolling down for F30 LCI?
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This needs to be around 3k lbs for it to be actually exciting
With all due respect, that's hilarious. You expect a 2 series platform to weigh 200 lbs less than an E36 M3? Well sorry to break the news to you, the M2 is not going to be anywhere near exciting enough for you
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So M2 will have 265ish HP with a tuned N55 and then a new engine for the M240i with around 260HP...ok whatever BMW, Im sick of your game
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So M2 will have 265ish HP with a tuned N55 and then a new engine for the M240i with around 260HP...ok whatever BMW, Im sick of your game
Ska did you mis-type that ?

M2 - 365 ish horsepower and true M
M240 - 330 ish horsepower and not true M

I really thought when the M2 came out that the M235/240 would go away, but there are going to be significant differences between the two cars...
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