[Gatte]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

But the N55B30T0 is not used in just one car? X4 M40i remember?

But Scott26 just posted earlier that the X4 just has another year. It will be just the M2 starting 2018 and doing all that for one car that does not sell much or make a tidy profit on a per car basis is still not going to be very profitable.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Don't forget that the X4 has just over a year to live with the changeover of the 3rd Generation X3 and the 2018 arrival of the new X4.

Please elaborate SCOTT26.

• production of the F25 (X3) / F25N (X3 LCI) is scheduled to end in 2018;
• production of the F26 (X4) is scheduled to end in 2021 (X4 LCI rumored for 2018).

Any implications for the engine powering the X4 M40i (265 kW), which also happens to power the M2 (272 kW) (N55B30T0) ?

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by RPM2-85

I love you man. BMW should really just hire you to think about what to do in the engine building department. Fu*k it, you should actually be CEO.

It baffles me on how you kids can talk with any authority on what you "think" BMW did to the block, but you sound really legit so ill go with it. You convinced me.

I wish they do make me the CEO, even if it's for just a year. I'll make sure there is an S55 M2 with a 6 speed MT and a lot of carbon fiber. Will even price below the GT4.

I'll even produce enough so everybody gets one.

[///M-pressed]

Originally Posted by Gatte

I wish they do make me the CEO, even if it's for just a year. I'll make sure there is an S55 M2 with a 6 speed MT and a lot of carbon fiber. Will even price below the GT4.

I'll even produce enough so everybody gets one.

And you will probably go out of business. :P

[ObsidianX]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Please elaborate SCOTT26.

• production of the F25 (X3) / F25N (X3 LCI) is scheduled to end in 2018;
• production of the F26 (X4) is scheduled to end in 2021 (X4 LCI rumored for 2018).

Any implications for the engine powering the X4 M40i (265 kW), which also happens to power the M2 (272 kW) (N55B30T0) ?

I think @Scott26 is telling us the end of production for the N55 is in sight and the B58 is coming as its replacement for all vehicles currently with a N55. This goes for the X3, X4... and M2.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Attuale

And you will probably go out of business. :P

That would be perfect. I can then get back to a job that I would actually like doing and I would have the car I want.

[bim2er]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Oh maybe I wasn't clearer earlier. When I said 330i, I assumed you already knew the year. If you knew which year, you would easily be able to tell what engine it had based on 330i, 340i etc.

Agreed

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Gatte

But Scott26 just posted earlier that the X4 just has another year. It will be just the M2 starting 2018 and doing all that for one car that does not sell much or make a tidy profit on a per car basis is still not going to be very profitable.

So replacing with an S55 would be less profitable, and replacing with a B58 w/out top output config would be unprecedented for an M car. AFAIK, BMW has never introduced a T0 engine less than 4 years after the engine upon which it was based was introduced. We got some time left, and it coincides with the end of announced M2 production.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

So replacing with an S55 would be less profitable, and replacing with a B58 w/out top output config would be unprecedented for an M car. AFAIK, BMW has never introduced a T0 engine less than 4 years after the engine upon which it was based was introduced. We got some time left, and it coincides with the end of announced M2 production.

I really don't see the B58 in the S58 guise coming into an M car till the next M3/M4 in 2021. An improved N55 or a de-tuned S55 would probably be the more probable options. The S55 would be about 6K more than the N55 (I think I saw this on PrematureApex's post earlier) so the price increase to maintain profitability is not that much.

We really think and some of us hope that it would be the S55 based on the spy shots, videos and the fact that an even more powerful and hardcore version of the 2 series would need a closed deck engine which the N55 might or might not be.

[MR_M2]

Note sure if already posted, but here is the M2 CSL prototype in action.
Sounds like B58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9_EffGSl_M

[NVP]

This. N55 exhaust noise > S55 exhaust noise.

[Corinne]

Originally Posted by Gatte

That would be perfect. I can then get back to a job that I would actually like doing and I would have the car I want.

Ah but you're NOT doing it at the moment, are you ? You're wasting your time on the forum....

[ilovewagons]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Don't forget that the X4 has just over a year to live with the changeover of the 3rd Generation X3 and the 2018 arrival of the new X4.

Once again, based on the presence of UKL based test mules, and the absence of current 1 and 2 series test mules. The current 1 and 2 series chassis are on the way out. Therefore it makes no sense that an S55 base model will go into production. Further, if they are going to introduce another line, an N55 base and an S55 CS produced concurrently, where is the plant capacity to do so? Remember that the current supply is constrained by plant capacity being shared with the more profitable UKL based X1. The idea that BMW will now make an S55 engined version in numbers, for not much more than the current car just doesn't make any sense. Obviously true Beliebers will dismiss this as sour grapes, but there's just no logical, or business sense to what some posters are suggesting in here.

Again, I'm happy to be wrong, I flip my cars every 3 years (mileage, depreciation and tax advantage, rather than being a gazillionaire ), so if there's something better coming, awesome, my current ownership of an M2 wouldn't stop me from getting that in 3 years. But I think that this current chassis is coming to an end and it is far more likely that any S55 M2 is going to be a limited edition and that there are going to be a lot of players and very few seats in this game of S55 musical chairs.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MR_M2

Note sure if already posted, but here is the M2 CSL prototype in action.
Sounds like B58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9_EffGSl_M

Already posted. See here for a compilation of M2 test mule videos:
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...3#post16905583

And peculiar for the September 2016 tests: judging by the sounds, BMW M is testing two different M2 engines at the same time: the N55 and another one (likely a detuned S55).

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Corinne

Ah but you're NOT doing it at the moment, are you ? You're wasting your time on the forum....

What do you mean ??.
This is my job. The other thing that pays me is entirely a hobby.

[BimmerTheGreek]

http://www.carscoops.com/2016/11/fac...ies-coupe.html

Close up of rear LEDs and new headlights.

[CosmosMpower]

Can't really tell what the tail lights look like with all that goofy plastic bubble wrap on it.

[ClothSeats]

Headlights look to be the same shape with the addition of LED turn signals.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Already posted. See here for a compilation of M2 test mule videos:
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...3#post16905583

And peculiar for the September 2016 tests: judging by the sounds, BMW M is testing two different M2 engines at the same time: the N55 and another one (likely a detuned S55).

What would the price of a theoretical M2 CSL be? 80-90k?

[BimmerTheGreek]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

Headlights look to be the same shape with the addition of LED turn signals.

If you look closely, they are like the new 5 series. I have nicknamed them the "pushup bra" with the inside strap going to the kidney grill. I believe that BMW has done this so that you can distinguish the eyebrow from the halos better.

[ClothSeats]

Originally Posted by BimmerTheGreek

If you look closely, they are like the new 5 series. I have nicknamed them the "pushup bra" with the inside strap going to the kidney grill. I believe that BMW has done this so that you can distinguish the eyebrow from the halos better.

Looks like the render below

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by BimmerTheGreek

If you look closely, they are like the new 5 series. I have nicknamed them the "pushup bra" with the inside strap going to the kidney grill. I believe that BMW has done this so that you can distinguish the eyebrow from the halos better.

Push up Bra.

Classic