[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

Some people were able to get it below ED MSRP, no? I wonder how that was possible.

Probably long time BMW customers or know someone at the dealer.

[scoale]

I don't see it being more than 100 lbs less than the M235.

The three problems BMW has with making a very good car a special car is 1) Tough to economically lighten 235 platform 2) Need to maintain superiority of M4 3) price point

[sgrinavi]

Originally Posted by BMW F22

Some people were able to get it below ED MSRP, no? I wonder how that was possible.

It also depends on your market. My local dealer offered to sell me below MSRP, but the dealer on the other side of the tracks, 20 miles south of me, was above MSRP.

[IS3andME]

Originally Posted by Bemo

And at $60k base, BMW can expect to sell next to none!
I'd go for a stripper M3 or start looking at the Cayman. At least the markup would get you a mid engined, lighter car with an inline 6 screaming behind your ears!

As for weight, I'm guessing just below the M235. Anything more significant would be way too expensive and dangerous by way of canibalizing sales away from the M3.

You mean flat six. Car & Driver made the same mistake in their January 2015 magazine when talking about the Porsche 911 Carrera S engine note, while showing a Cayman in a hemi anechoic dyno chamber

[Bemo]

Originally Posted by IS3andME

You mean flat six. Car & Driver made the same mistake in their January 2015 magazine when talking about the Porsche 911 Carrera S engine note, while showing a Cayman in a hemi anechoic dyno chamber

Oops acknowledged!
Rest of the comments, however, stand!

[manuelf]

Why does anyone expect the upcoming M2 to be lighter than the M235i at all?
I don't get it. First and foremost it is the same car (Chassis, base engine - N55).
Suspension parts, which the M2 gets from M3/M4 might be from lighter material (i.e. alumnium) but have greater width and more rigidity, so I would not expect any weight saving here, which is worth to discuss about.
Brakes will be bigger and heavier and cooling infrastructure might add weight also ...
Maybe there is hope, that the M2 gets an Aluminium front lid and (maybe - although we haven't seen this on mules) carbon fiber roof.
In summary this means, that we will be happy if M2 has approx. the same weight as an M235i .... which imho isn't that bad at all.
This means, the M2 will be 100-120 kg (220 - 260 lbs) lighter than a E92 M3. (the same goes for the F82 - which in reality has the same weight as the E92 M3)...

[W///]

Originally Posted by manuelf

Why does anyone expect the upcoming M2 to be lighter than the M235i at all?
I don't get it. First and foremost it is the same car (Chassis, base engine - N55).
Suspension parts, which the M2 gets from M3/M4 might be from lighter material (i.e. alumnium) but have greater width and more rigidity, so I would not expect any weight saving here, which is worth to discuss about.
Brakes will be bigger and heavier and cooling infrastructure might add weight also ...
Maybe there is hope, that the M2 gets an Aluminium front lid and (maybe - although we haven't seen this on mules) carbon fiber roof.
In summary this means, that we will be happy if M2 has approx. the same weight as an M235i .... which imho isn't that bad at all.
This means, the M2 will be 100-120 kg (220 - 260 lbs) lighter than a E92 M3. (the same goes for the F82 - which in reality has the same weight as the E92 M3)...

No different than why the M4 is lighter than an 435i even though it has all those uprated parts. Not to mention there's a chance that we could get lighter seats (hopefully manual) too.

Worst case scenario, it weighs same as M235i if it doesn't get any lightweight treatment. Best case scenario, who knows? It's all speculation at this point, but we can certainly hope for the best.

[Rupes]

Originally Posted by manuelf

This means, the M2 will be 100-120 kg (220 - 260 lbs) lighter than a E92 M3. ...

That's simply not true at all. I weighed my E92 M3 last month at 3480 pounds. Granted that's only with 1/4 tank but it's 100% stock with very few options. The M235i weighs 3500 pounds. It's basically the same weight which is why I created this post in the first place. How can a car that is smaller with a smaller engine, and less performance parts weigh so much?! BMW is getting pretty lazy if they can't make the M2 weigh less than the larger 10 year old platform of the e92 M3.

[manuelf]

Originally Posted by Rupes

That's simply not true at all. I weighed my E92 M3 last month at 3480 pounds. Granted that's only with 1/4 tank but it's 100% stock with very few options. The M235i weighs 3500 pounds. It's basically the same weight which is why I created this post in the first place. .....

I prefer to compare data/weights, which have been produced under exactly the same circumstances.
Therefore I only compare the weighing result of german Sport Auto Magazine.

E92M3 testcar with DCT and carbon roof with full tank: 1640kg. (Link)
M235i with 8hp automatic gearbox and full tank: 1528kg (Link)

Note: The DCT here is approx. 20 kg heavier than the ZF 8hp used in the M235i. This means: An M2 equipped with DCT instead of 8hp will get heavier ...

[W///]

Originally Posted by Rupes

That's simply not true at all. I weighed my E92 M3 last month at 3480 pounds. Granted that's only with 1/4 tank but it's 100% stock with very few options. The M235i weighs 3500 pounds. It's basically the same weight which is why I created this post in the first place. How can a car that is smaller with a smaller engine, and less performance parts weigh so much?! BMW is getting pretty lazy if they can't make the M2 weigh less than the larger 10 year old platform of the e92 M3.

Many reasons:
- I'm assuming your car has almost no options correct? We have no idea how that 3500 lb M235i was optioned. I'd be interested to see in what a comparably low optioned M235i would weigh on the same scale.
- You said you measured the car with 1/4 tank. I don't know what BMW uses. Full tank? Half tank? Fuel = around 6 lbs per gallon
- E92 M3 = NA. M235i = FI. FI weighs a lot with all the cooling system ect...
- You have CF roof and aluminum hood. We still don't know if M2 will get it. Does it make a giant difference? No. But it helps.

Well there you go. That's why. I'm not saying I don't think the 2er platform should have been lighter to start with, but still, we should compare apples to apples.

[Rupes]

Originally Posted by W///

Many reasons:
- I'm assuming your car has almost no options correct? We have no idea how that 3500 lb M235i was optioned. I'd be interested to see in what a comparably low optioned M235i would weigh on the same scale.

Me too. I haven't seen anyone post a low optioned M235i weight so I went with what I've seen from other publications (3500+ pounds in the US). And yes, you are correct that my E92 has almost no options (just 19's and cold weather package). The problem as I see it is that you really can't order an M235i today with weight savings in mind. For example, they all come with 18 inch wheels, so no option to remove weight there. No option to remove navi, no option to remove power seats, no option for CF roof (of course), no speed cloth, etc. So a loaded M235i and a stripper M235i really shouldn't be a big weight delta. The only real "weight" option on the M235i is the manual vs. auto trans.

This is one instance though where I really hope I'm wrong! Well that, or I at least hope BMW will allow us to configure a stripper car on the M2!

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by Rupes

Me too. I haven't seen anyone post a low optioned M235i weight so I went with what I've seen from other publications (3500+ pounds in the US). And yes, you are correct that my E92 has almost no options (just 19's and cold weather package). The problem as I see it is that you really can't order an M235i today with weight savings in mind. For example, they all come with 18 inch wheels, so no option to remove weight there. No option to remove navi, no option to remove power seats, no option for CF roof (of course), no speed cloth, etc. So a loaded M235i and a stripper M235i really shouldn't be a big weight delta. The only real "weight" option on the M235i is the manual vs. auto trans.

This is one instance though where I really hope I'm wrong! Well that, or I at least hope BMW will allow us to configure a stripper car on the M2!

M235i with a manual trans and a moonroof delete, plus PSS tires over RFT have some weight reductions

Also not sure why a no option and a fully option car should weight the same????

Options have parts added on so there are weights.

[m3bs]

Interesting that BMW doesn't publish the weight of the M235 Racing model in their PR flyer.

[OrangeCrush]

I really hope they offer the M2 with bespoke seats with manual option. I love having manual seats in my 1M.

[W///]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

I really hope they offer the M2 with bespoke seats with manual option. I love having manual seats in my 1M.

+10000! And for the love of god, please have them available with cloth seats too.

I think it's very cool that they unveiled all the new cool toys such as iDrive with touchscreen and gesture recognition, but I'd skip all the gadgets to keep the weight and price as low as possible. There's definitely a place for all those toys, but not in my imaginary M2.

[dmboone25]

3400 is my guess - perhaps a shade below that if we are lucky...

[oj34]

Since I'm driving a 135i (E82) at the moment I'm interested how the weight will be compared to that. More weight could be a deal breaker but I'm not concerned about that.
A M235i 6MT has an EU(!) curb weight of 1530 kg (3373 lbs) according to BMW website which is exactly the same as for an E82 135i.
So for me a M2 curb weight equal to a M235i would be o.k. Of course I would highly appreciate if it gets lighter.
Here in Germany it should be possible to configure a stripper. But I will take some options and go with MT, alcantara (hopefully standard), LED head lights, best available sound system, navigation (because I use it as daily driver) and cf roof (if not standard).

btw: I'm new here. So hello to everyone :-)

[golf_234]

Originally Posted by Rupes

Me too. I haven't seen anyone post a low optioned M235i weight so I went with what I've seen from other publications (3500+ pounds in the US). And yes, you are correct that my E92 has almost no options (just 19's and cold weather package). The problem as I see it is that you really can't order an M235i today with weight savings in mind. For example, they all come with 18 inch wheels, so no option to remove weight there. No option to remove navi, no option to remove power seats, no option for CF roof (of course), no speed cloth, etc. So a loaded M235i and a stripper M235i really shouldn't be a big weight delta. The only real "weight" option on the M235i is the manual vs. auto trans.

This is one instance though where I really hope I'm wrong! Well that, or I at least hope BMW will allow us to configure a stripper car on the M2!

I don't mind the weights they are at too much. It is the cost of building a high quality car out of quality materials. Not saying that it doesn't matter, I am just saying is that it is vastly overdramaticized. The M235i for example isnt THAT much heavier than even like an E46. Much more important is the distribution and center of mass of the body. I kind of like a litte bit of mass on the car. I like about where they are.

[RocketJohn]

As long as BMW finds the right balance of power, chassis dynamics, etc, who cares about 80-100lbs +/- on a street car, where these cars get used 99% of their life.

[gaijin]

Everyone's talking about the Stuttgart cars, so let's imagine BMW doing the same to the M2 to reduce weight and bring price point down. Like the Porsche 911 Club Sport: delete fog lights, power seats, power windows, automatic ventilation system, central locking, rear seats, sound proofing materials and carpets (except on interior roof and engine), sunroof, central console, full leather interior, interior door handles, headlight washers and air conditioning.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by gaijin

Everyone's talking about the Stuttgart cars, so let's imagine BMW doing the same to the M2 to reduce weight and bring price point down. Like the Porsche 911 Club Sport: delete fog lights, power seats, power windows, automatic ventilation system, central locking, rear seats, sound proofing materials and carpets (except on interior roof and engine), sunroof, central console, full leather interior, interior door handles, headlight washers and air conditioning.

Even Lotus has power windows. Power windows a lighter than manual. Non opening is even lighter.

[UpNcOmINg!]

If you want light, the Alfa 4C.
I seriously just want it simple.
No NAV, no electric seats.
Basic manual box, manual seats and hopefully some sexy alcantara/cloth seats. If they leather I won't complain.