[JustChris]

We all wish for the Vision GT but the rear is never going to happen. Think M4 GTS with add on aero I suspect.

[Corinne]

Originally Posted by Arcanum-UK

Or someone from Peugeot.

Ha ha ha !!!!! The ultimate insult ?

[Hasan Shaikh]

Originally Posted by Artemis

No, CSL will be CSL.

It is (or at least was) a specific concept. "L" stands for "Leichtbau" (Leightweight construction). So a CSL worth its salt will be an M car with a relevant weight reduction.

See this post for some very early signs of rebooted CSL life: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...5#post19427255

But I suppose that your question was to know whether a possible further M2 variant, apart from the M2 CS, will be be an "M2 CSL" rather than an "M2 GTS". Well, it looks like this will be the case.

Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. Can we expect the CSL models to be comparable in weight to the Porsche GT2/3/4 models.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Hasan Shaikh

Can we expect the CSL models to be comparable in weight to the Porsche GT2/3/4 models.

Allow me to remind to an earlier post:

Originally Posted by Artemis

On a final note: a EURO-spec base M2 6MT weighs 1495 kg (unladen) (see the specs here); for a word of caution about unrealistic weight reduction expectations, read what BMW M engineer Jürgen Schwenker replied in a Spring 2011 interview regarding the 1M (see here or here):

"Q: Would it not have been possible to reduce the weight of the BMW 1 Series M Coupé to closer to 1,400 kilos instead of the 1,570 kilos achieved? After all, a number of body parts had to be redeveloped anyway. What would have been the additional cost for the customer if the 1,400 kg target had been reached ?
A: It is unrealistic to expect a weight reduction of 170 kilos on an existing basic vehicle. The M3 CSL and M3 GTS show where the reasonable limits lie. It would be necessary to develop a completely new car from scratch – which would, of course, also mean a completely different price scale. We were determined to offer a real BMW M that would also allow newcomers to have some fun with the strongest letter in the world. That’s why we are choosing to go with intelligent lightweight construction methods, e.g. light wheels and specific avoidance of insulating mats. The chassis of the BMW 1 Series M Coupé also helps optimise weight. Both the two-joint front axle, as well as the five-link rear axle of the BMW 1 Series M Coupé are made almost completely from aluminium. Tubular stabilisers, axle guides made from forged aluminium and aluminium shock absorbers complete the lightweight concept for the wheel suspension. The weight of the BMW 1 Series M Coupé is precisely the same as that of the previous generation of the BMW M3, with comparable output and much higher torque. The vehicle weighs 1,495kg (DIN kerb weight) (with 90% full fuel tank without driver and luggage); the 1,570 kg specified are the EU standard weight (including 75 kg for driver and luggage)."

Of course BMW can still shave off some weight here and there with light-weight materials and by deleting some creature comforts, but they can't fundamentally rebuild the car and cannot make production cost and sales price prohibitively high. In the end, the main purpose remains to make profits and, hence, to find customers who are prepared to pay for a car positioned in a pretty competitive market segment featuring customers easily (s)hopping between brands.

Offer the M2 CS stock with manual gearbox (à la 1M and Cayman GT4) and the 25 kg M-DCT extra weight is avoided + it may not step way too hard on M3/M4 M-DCT toes. Don't fit the M4 GTS Water Injection system as that would add extra weight.

[Hasan Shaikh]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Allow me to remind to an earlier post:

Of course BMW can still shave off some weight here and there with light-weight materials and by deleting some creature comforts, but they can't fundamentally rebuild the car and cannot make production cost and sales price prohibitively high. In the end, the main purpose remains to make profits and, hence, to find customers who are prepared to pay for a car positioned in a pretty competitive market segment featuring customers easily (s)hopping between brands.

Offer the M2 CS stock with manual gearbox (à la 1M and Cayman GT4) and the 25 kg M-DCT extra weight is avoided + it may not step way too hard on M3/M4 M-DCT toes. Don't fit the M4 GTS Water Injection system as that would add extra weight.

Thanks. BMW lost the weight watch since the E36. And it seems they have no realistic plans to catch up.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

3200 lb M2 CSL will work for me in a couple of years. Should I hold my breath?

I am!

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Of course BMW can still shave off some weight here and there with light-weight materials and by deleting some creature comforts, but they can't fundamentally rebuild the car and cannot make production cost and sales price prohibitively high.

But BMW is going to "fundamentally rebuild the car", when they move from UKL to CLAR in about 3 years. Are we waiting for the platform with the starting weight savings of 100lbs/50kg?

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

I am!

Just don't choke yourself.

[MR.]

Originally Posted by Artemis

And Scott26 mentioned last July that an M4 variant was/is planned. Must be the M4 CSL then.

Nope just more of the same in a body we are already familiar with.

MR

[as7920]

Originally Posted by MR.

Nope just more of the same in a body we are already familiar with.

MR

And we thought Scott26 was cryptic.

Interesting.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by MR.

Nope just more of the same in a body we are already familiar with.
MR

F80 M3 CS.

• http://www.autozeitung.de/bmw-m3-cs-...en-189408.html
• http://www.thedrive.com/news/12662/4...18-report-says
• https://www.motor1.com/news/174431/b...s-coming-2018/
• http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...w-m3-cs-rumor/
• https://www.motoring.com.au/lighter-...coming-108112/