[cookiesowns]

Coded Euro MDM on the M2 using the one liner method since my car is a 02/17 prod. I haven't driven the car on the regular MDM, but Euro MDM is pretty solid!

Getting closer to 1200 miles and slowly driving the car harder and harder... It allowed a decent amount of slip angle accelerating out of a left hander in 2nd.. it still reigned itself in a bit by reducing power while I corrected.

In 1st gear it's wild... allowed plenty of tire slip lol 0 traction intervention...

Every day this car makes me smile that much more.

[R0ME0]

Originally Posted by cookiesowns

Coded Euro MDM on the M2 using the one liner method since my car is a 02/17 prod. I haven't driven the car on the regular MDM, but Euro MDM is pretty solid!

Getting closer to 1200 miles and slowly driving the car harder and harder... It allowed a decent amount of slip angle accelerating out of a left hander in 2nd.. it still reigned itself in a bit by reducing power while I corrected.

In 1st gear it's wild... allowed plenty of tire slip lol 0 traction intervention...

Every day this car makes me smile that much more.

Do you have the settings to share?

[lax01]

Were you able to code with BimmerCode? Or do you have a more advanced setup?

[cookiesowns]

Originally Posted by lax01

Were you able to code with BimmerCode? Or do you have a more advanced setup?

No, bimmercode doesn't have access to DSC module yet

I coded with esys, and I also have ISTA+ to clear the codes afterwards.

If you're going to the canyon run, I can help ya out!

Originally Posted by R0ME0

Do you have the settings to share?

Yup, all I did was change the DSC Market to ECE documented here:

C_Laenderkennung
set to: ECE

[quikM2]

from what I understand euro MDM is still comfort mode in terms of throttle response... i wish you could alter that as well.

[cookiesowns]

Originally Posted by quikM2

from what I understand euro MDM is still comfort mode in terms of throttle response... i wish you could alter that as well.

Yes, throttle settings are not changed. I actually like the comfort mode throttle, allows me to blip / heel toe for the revmatches since it's not as aggressive =)

Euro MDM is active in sport+ as is regular MDM tho..

[pmilani]

Originally Posted by cookiesowns

Coded Euro MDM on the M2 using the one liner method since my car is a 02/17 prod. I haven't driven the car on the regular MDM, but Euro MDM is pretty solid!

Getting closer to 1200 miles and slowly driving the car harder and harder... It allowed a decent amount of slip angle accelerating out of a left hander in 2nd.. it still reigned itself in a bit by reducing power while I corrected.

In 1st gear it's wild... allowed plenty of tire slip lol 0 traction intervention...

Every day this car makes me smile that much more.

I wouldn't go sideways during break in. I think break in is actually only important because of the differential that needs to settle. Differential oil might be higher viscosity and it will be changed on 1st service.

[cookiesowns]

Originally Posted by pmilani

I wouldn't go sideways during break in. I think break in is actually only important because of the differential that needs to settle. Differential oil might be higher viscosity and it will be changed on 1st service.

Yes, I'm fully aware, it was not intentional

[pmilani]

not intentional. sure... that's what I tell my wife
enjoy the car!

[pmilani]

Originally Posted by quikM2

from what I understand euro MDM is still comfort mode in terms of throttle response... i wish you could alter that as well.

There are a few posts around this topic, along with scanned pages of how the various modes work.
here is what I understand: MDM has nothing to do with throttle response per-se, MDM is a mode of the DSC, and the DSC can intervene to cut power to help recover a spin when it is beyond certain limits built into the algorithm. MDM will allow an increased wheelspin and a certain amount of sideways sliding before it will start intervening with power cuts and/or braking specific wheels.
Euro MDM is simply parameterized with different limits and settings than the US MDM, allegedly it should allow for wider margin of sliding.
MDM is not selectable directly: it is active in TRACTION mode and in SPORT+.

[Archie Bunker]

Originally Posted by pmilani

There are a few posts around this topic, along with scanned pages of how the various modes work.
here is what I understand: MDM has nothing to do with throttle response per-se, MDM is a mode of the DSC, and the DSC can intervene to cut power to help recover a spin when it is beyond certain limits built into the algorithm. MDM will allow an increased wheelspin and a certain amount of sideways sliding before it will start intervening with power cuts and/or braking specific wheels.
Euro MDM is simply parameterized with different limits and settings than the US MDM, allegedly it should allow for wider margin of sliding.
MDM is not selectable directly: it is active in TRACTION mode and in SPORT+.

I might be in the dissenting opinion here, but I did not notice that much of a difference in street driving between US MDM and Euro MDM. I prefer TC off on nice warm days. In the current mornings when temps are in the 70s, I can, of course, slide around quite a bit with DSC off. Maybe I've grown accustomed to the slip angles of DSC off, but I was hoping Euro MDM would perform closer to DSC off when in my experience it falls more towards the US MDM end of the spectrum.

Straight line performance is definitely helped by Euro MDM. Still not as good as DSC off, but closer to it than US MDM.

Im confused by all the guys who claim they're "getting sideways" on the street and/or spinning out following Euro MDM coding. You must be mashing the throttle in first or second and locking the wheel in 90 degree turns, in which case no TC on earth will save your momentum.

[thaalrasha]

I found myself very much sideways (like 45 degree) with MDM .. on a straight line... which was very surprising. This hapenned because of a transition between different road surface during straighline hard acceleration, on road slightly wet. I went same place again another day with nanies on and TC is really flashing a lot on the same spot despite not pushing very hard.

[cookiesowns]

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

I might be in the dissenting opinion here, but I did not notice that much of a difference in street driving between US MDM and Euro MDM. I prefer TC off on nice warm days. In the current mornings when temps are in the 70s, I can, of course, slide around quite a bit with DSC off. Maybe I've grown accustomed to the slip angles of DSC off, but I was hoping Euro MDM would perform closer to DSC off when in my experience it falls more towards the US MDM end of the spectrum.

Straight line performance is definitely helped by Euro MDM. Still not as good as DSC off, but closer to it than US MDM.

Im confused by all the guys who claim they're "getting sideways" on the street and/or spinning out following Euro MDM coding. You must be mashing the throttle in first or second and locking the wheel in 90 degree turns, in which case no TC on earth will save your momentum.

you have to be persuasive and also smooth on inputs in order to let Euro MDM do its thing. Once you make it feel like you dunno what you're doing it reels you back.

[Archie Bunker]

Originally Posted by cookiesowns

you have to be persuasive and also smooth on inputs in order to let Euro MDM do its thing. Once you make it feel like you dunno what you're doing it reels you back.

I somewhat disagree with this. Smooth and persuasive is connotative to someone who doesn't need the safety net of TC.

I can tell you that with DSC off: In a 2nd gear corner, hit the apex, plant the front wheels, and roll on the throttle. Depending on how persuasive rolling into WOT you are, you can achieve a mild to extreme power slide quite easily with the M2's short wheel base.

I've found in the above scenario with US MDM, I can get a slight rear wiggle followed abruptly by computer correction. Euro MDM will allow maybe 20% more slip IMO, before crashing the party.

Either Euro MDM is useless if you're used to driving with DSC off, or I had a coding error and am actually still under the iron fist of US MDM!

[cookiesowns]

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

I somewhat disagree with this. Smooth and persuasive is connotative to someone who doesn't need the safety net of TC.

I can tell you that with DSC off: In a 2nd gear corner, hit the apex, plant the front wheels, and roll on the throttle. Depending on how persuasive rolling into WOT you are, you can achieve a mild to extreme power slide quite easily with the M2's short wheel base.

I've found in the above scenario with US MDM, I can get a slight rear wiggle followed abruptly by computer correction. Euro MDM will allow maybe 20% more slip IMO, before crashing the party.

Either Euro MDM is useless if you're used to driving with DSC off, or I had a coding error and am actually still under the iron fist of US MDM!

Correct. I've never said you can maintain drifts / slides with Euro MDM, it's just definitely not as limiting as US MDM... It'll actually allow me to give it some slip angle in some scenarios vs US MDM which strongly limits you.

I can't wait to drive the F87 on the track with DSC Off, it seems really well balanced.

[Archie Bunker]

Originally Posted by cookiesowns

Correct. I've never said you can maintain drifts / slides with Euro MDM, it's just definitely not as limiting as US MDM... It'll actually allow me to give it some slip angle in some scenarios vs US MDM which strongly limits you.

I can't wait to drive the F87 on the track with DSC Off, it seems really well balanced.

It is. The amount of sliding control by mainly (if not all) throttle is incredible! Overboost is annoying to me as I wish it were there all the time. Otherwise, all I can is: "perfect."

[cookiesowns]

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

It is. The amount of sliding control by mainly (if not all) throttle is incredible! Overboost is annoying to me as I wish it were there all the time. Otherwise, all I can is: "perfect."

I just drove it today with DSC off abit hard on public streets ( no intentional sliding was done ), car felt really balanced and in situations where I thought it would cut power with full nannies on it didnt... no hint of oversteer either

Just like the GT86 I had before... the car really seems to drive better even on the street with 0 nannies on. I'm 6MT so rev matching / heel toe myself was soo satisfying. I'm glad I still revmatch / heel toe when I'm in comfort throttle to not be too rusty.

[Yiruna]

What is the MDM you speak of

[gmzanatta]

Euro MDM is also pretty handy when you're driving in deep snow - it allows more wheel spin before it cuts power.

[Archie Bunker]

Originally Posted by Yiruna

What is the MDM you speak of

What is this snow gmzanatta speaks of? I guess I do live in North Texas.

[CosmosMpower]

DSC off, MDM is for rookies. This car is so neutral and easy to drive.