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      09-19-2017, 10:07 AM   #221
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Iv'e had an E36, E46, E92 all M3. All were straight.
And as far as I'm concerned as they got bigger they got worse. Test drove the M4 and hated it.
I still say the E36 M3 was the best M3.

Back to the M2. I want something small again.
I can get use to the crooked seat, it's not bad but wtf?
But it is crooked.
Have you sat in one?

If not, go sit in any 2 series and then come back. Until then you're just speculating and coming off like a douche with an M3 complex.

I've had my car for well over a year and not once has it even been remotely noticeable...it's maybe 2 or 3 degrees offset.
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      09-19-2017, 12:14 PM   #222
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Its just a mental thing. If you did not read about it you might not even realize it when in the car. I didn't .
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      09-19-2017, 06:08 PM   #223
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Its just a mental thing. If you did not read about it you might not even realize it when in the car. I didn't .
Your nose is in your field of vision, so you're always looking at your nose. However, the human brain filters out unnecessary sensory information ("unconscious selective attention"). Hence, the human brain manages to organize that, if nothing changes with your nose, you won't notice it - it's blocked/edited out.

Same goes for the marginally angled seats (dubbed 'crooked seats'): you won't notice the angle, except if someone points it out for you and/or you focus on it.

[In the meantime everyone is checking his/her nose... True fact of science though]
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      09-19-2017, 06:14 PM   #224
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Your nose is in your field of vision, so you're always looking at your nose. However, the human brain filters out unnecessary sensory information ("unconscious selective attention"). Hence, the human brain manages to organize that, if nothing changes with your nose, you won't notice it - it's blocked/edited out.

Same goes for the marginally angled seats (dubbed 'crooked seats'): you won't notice the angle, except if someone points it out for you and/or you focus on it.

[In the meantime everyone is checking his/her nose... True fact of science though]
Correct, and to go fast you must trust your nose.
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      09-19-2017, 06:48 PM   #225
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It is purposely designed that way so your eyes stay focused on the apex of the corner....unfortunately only left handers!
Oh! You mean this car was designed for Nascar?

hogger, Your OCD is on a different planet if the seat will bother you. Looking down at the seat, I can see it. However when I drive the M2, I don't notice it at all.
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      09-19-2017, 10:35 PM   #226
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Have you sat in one?

If not, go sit in any 2 series and then come back. Until then you're just speculating and coming off like a douche with an M3 complex.

I've had my car for well over a year and not once has it even been remotely noticeable...it's maybe 2 or 3 degrees offset.
Wow!!! Yes, I sat in one. I just bought one.
But wow!! Talk about a douche.

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Its just a mental thing. If you did not read about it you might not even realize it when in the car. I didn't .
Never read anything. Just sat in one and commented.
I just bought one cause it is a fantastic car.
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Congrats & enjoy!!
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      09-19-2017, 11:07 PM   #228
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Your nose is in your field of vision, so you're always looking at your nose. However, the human brain filters out unnecessary sensory information ("unconscious selective attention"). Hence, the human brain manages to organize that, if nothing changes with your nose, you won't notice it - it's blocked/edited out.

Same goes for the marginally angled seats (dubbed 'crooked seats'): you won't notice the angle, except if someone points it out for you and/or you focus on it.

[In the meantime everyone is checking his/her nose... True fact of science though]

Unbelievable!
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      09-20-2017, 07:09 AM   #230
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I also have an E36 M3 and completely agree with you.

However, my vaders were badly out of shape so I decided to put aftermarket seats in it and the driver's seat is way off center. However, I didnt feel it after a few days.

I have not sat in an M2 yet, but I'm quite certain it cannot be more off center than the seat in my E36.



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And as far as I'm concerned as they got bigger they got worse. Test drove the M4 and hated it.
I still say the E36 M3 was the best M3.

Back to the M2. I want something small again.
I can get use to the crooked seat, it's not bad but wtf?
But it is crooked.
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      09-20-2017, 07:25 AM   #231
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I still say the E36 M3 was the best M3.

Back to the M2.
E36 M3...simple, great handling/road manners, not too much power.....no electronic distractions..no nanny's..just a well balanced car! Agree!
Still have 2 E36's!

Glad you like your new M2. Crooked seat and all! I never noticed and don't really care! I have a 6MT and ignore/turn off the tv screen on the dashboard. I like to feel the car, hear the engine, and pay attention to the road when I drive. I barely know how to turn on the AC!

Now in my Audi Q7...I would have a s**tfit if the seat was crooked....I better go look
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Oh! You mean this car was designed for Nascar?

hogger, Your OCD is on a different planet if the seat will bother you. Looking down at the seat, I can see it. However when I drive the M2, I don't notice it at all.
Yep NASCAR....I'm doing a complete Marlboro wrap here soon

The crooked seat doesn't bother me in the least, unnoticeable really.

Was kidding that the seat angle may improve your line of sight through turns. Maybe if the seat swiveled and was tied to a four wheel steering system....aha, think of the possibilities!
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      09-20-2017, 10:06 AM   #233
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E36 M3...simple, great handling/road manners, not too much power.....no electronic distractions..no nanny's..just a well balanced car! Agree!
Still have 2 E36's!

Glad you like your new M2. Crooked seat and all! I never noticed and don't really care! I have a 6MT and ignore/turn off the tv screen on the dashboard. I like to feel the car, hear the engine, and pay attention to the road when I drive. I barely know how to turn on the AC!

Now in my Audi Q7...I would have a s**tfit if the seat was crooked....I better go look
Did you check? I believe the Q7 seat is tilted slightly to the right

Hey btw, pretty sure I/we passed you going the other direction on Dutchess rt83 on Sunday. Two yellow Ducati's and a black Aprilia. Love it up there!
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      09-20-2017, 03:00 PM   #234
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Did you check? I believe the Q7 seat is tilted slightly to the right

Hey btw, pretty sure I/we passed you going the other direction on Dutchess rt83 on Sunday. Two yellow Ducati's and a black Aprilia. Love it up there!
Yes ..it is beautiful up there.... Sorry not me... I was in RI Sunday !

Would have otherwise definitely noticed you guys! I usually pay attention to oncoming traffic, especially bikes, on 2 lane roads !!!

Q7 seat is bone straight! I think the chassis is tilted to the left though!
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Yes ..it is beautiful up there.... Sorry not me... I was in RI Sunday !

Would have otherwise definitely noticed you guys! I usually pay attention to oncoming traffic, especially bikes, on 2 lane roads !!!

Q7 seat is bone straight! I think the chassis is tilted to the left though!
Got it, someone else out in their BSM M2 then. Only my second M2 sighting since I got mine back in March.

Yeah I do the same thing, especially when on two wheels as people do cross the line now and then.

Hope you can get that chassis straightened!

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Got it, someone else out in their BSM M2 then. Only my second M2 sighting since I got mine back in March.

Yeah I do the same thing, especially when on two wheels as people do cross the line now and then.

Hope you can get that chassis straightened!

Cheers
I have only seen 2 others in this neck of the woods only recently...one was LBB and the other BSM...maybe the one you saw. Saw a MG M2 earlier this summer in Westerly, RI

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      09-21-2017, 12:19 PM   #237
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Every BMW since 1990 has had the seats slightly skewed. Very few cars have the seat directly centered with the steering/pedals.
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      09-21-2017, 12:30 PM   #238
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2018 LCI Crooked driver seat??

Hi all,

I have my set on production at week 44. And I already cant wait until I receive the VIN and tracking it every minute until I seat behind her wheel.

I initally had week 30 allocation and was expecting to receive the car mid-Sept (In Toronto, Canada), but my dealer did not fully check the specs of the car that I ordered as it was cycled into MY18. And he did forget to put adaptive LED which was a must for me. So I ended up asking for another allocation that they have and now still sitting and waiting for my real M2 LCI.

Putting away sad story, one question just popped in my head.
Knowing that M2s before MY18 had crooked driver seat, wondering if that has been fixed for LCIs...

Does anybody know??
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      10-13-2017, 01:39 PM   #240
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Hi all,

I have my set on production at week 44. And I already cant wait until I receive the VIN and tracking it every minute until I seat behind her wheel.

I initally had week 30 allocation and was expecting to receive the car mid-Sept (In Toronto, Canada), but my dealer did not fully check the specs of the car that I ordered as it was cycled into MY18. And he did forget to put adaptive LED which was a must for me. So I ended up asking for another allocation that they have and now still sitting and waiting for my real M2 LCI.

Putting away sad story, one question just popped in my head.
Knowing that M2s before MY18 had crooked driver seat, wondering if that has been fixed for LCIs...

Does anybody know??
It's about time for everyone to get over the crooked seat thing. I have actually had a guy come up to me at Cars and Coffee and tell me my car was crap because of the seat. BMW is not going to change this as there are weird side safety factors that led to this anomaly. I can say after driving mine for a year and 19,000 miles I haven't been negatively effected by this issue. My guess is if it wasn't brought to your attention most wouldn't figure it out. Having said that, sit in a beloved air cooled Porsche 911 or any one of many cars that folks lust over and you will find weird ergonomic issues. Overall the M2 has outstanding ergonomics, I did a 400 mile day a few weeks ago and despite my fused back I was very comfortable.

The M2 is a great car this issue should not distract from how great it is. Interestingly nobody every brought this up on the other 2 series models.
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      10-13-2017, 01:47 PM   #241
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Completely agree with above. I am 6"1' and a lot older than most of you, and there is simply no problem with these seats and placement. I even tried to find a problem, worked at it, and I see no problem. Had the 128M and the M235, and all is fine. Worry not.
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Completely agree with above. I am 6"1' and a lot older than most of you, and there is simply no problem with these seats and placement. I even tried to find a problem, worked at it, and I see no problem. Had the 128M and the M235, and all is fine. Worry not.
I am 185CM and have no issues, I actually already had the car and did not notice anything, and still don't only, found out about the seat after having the car for some months...non issue.
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