[terminator335i]

Originally Posted by marcva

If you don't want the bling, you get better bang for your buck than previous generations. Your choice.

Then it ain't an "M" car is it?
Do you know what "M" stands for mate?
MOTORSPORT!!!!
What's the point of driving a "Motorsport" car if it ain't got the performance like downforce (splinters, fenders, spoilers) better exhaust flow (m performance exhaust) interior handling (steering wheel, grippier shifters) wheels (optional wider rims)??? Then it's just a shell with an engine in it. That ain't "M" and that's not what "M" heritage is all about. The old M cars had nearly everything in it (standard) and Bmw made sure you got what you paid for. This isn't the same with the M2.

[ekbusdriver]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

LOL. So you're 3800 lb torque-less V8 bloated boat is the last 'true' M car? hahahahahaha!!

*pause*

hahahahahaha

At least it was a 'true' M engine.

Torque-less? Funny, I don't have any trouble getting mine move, and smartly past a lot of high-torque cars. SRTs, SSs, new GTs, C7s, and even an X5M who thought his truck was fast.

[jstnstr]

Originally Posted by ekbusdriver

At least it was a 'true' M engine.

Torque-less? Funny, I don't have any trouble getting mine move, and smartly past a lot of high-torque cars. SRTs, SSs, new GTs, C7s, and even an X5M who thought his truck was fast.

Don't bother dude, nothing but the 1M will ever be the 'real' M car for this guy. Every single post is: yeah but it isn't as good as my 1M.

[IEDEI]

Originally Posted by ekbusdriver

At least it was a 'true' M engine.

Torque-less? Funny, I don't have any trouble getting mine move, and smartly past a lot of high-torque cars. SRTs, SSs, new GTs, C7s, and even an X5M who thought his truck was fast.

don't get me wrong I love the E9X M3. without it there would be no 1M. but to say it's the last 'true' M is absolute squirrel shit

it is torque less though.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by simon.

It does if you code it.

Holy crap this still has to be coded ?
Jeez BMW does have very awkward TPMS systems. My 2011 1M just says " low tire " and shows a picture of all 4 being low.

[Cope]

Originally Posted by Artemis

AFAIK, M2 6MT:
- rev matching in Comfort Mode and Sport Mode;
- no rev matching in Sport Plus mode.

So annoying they jam rev match settings into drive settings. I really hope there's a work around.

[FilipMPower]

Originally Posted by Cope

Ugh, so in order to deactivate auto rev matching for the manual I'll have to drive at all times in reduced TC settings? That's quite preposterous.



In the US we had to live with the 135is having an arguably better sounding exhaust than the 1M.

I'm sure you can cope (so punny) with the MDM. It still saves you whenever you make a mistake.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Cope

So annoying they jam rev match settings into drive settings. I really hope there's a work around.

I'm in agreement here but again, hopefully can be coded away

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by MCarsFan

Wonder if the f80 mirrors will fit?

They do not. Different mount.

[Cope]

Originally Posted by FilipMPower

I'm sure you can cope (so punny) with the MDM. It still saves you whenever you make a mistake.

Yeah I have to give it a chance before I get carried away. The M2 won't even be my car in the family, they might actually really like the rev matching lol. I just think going from either of my cars to the M2 it'll be cumbersome to have to remember to not rev match myself.

[DJKapeesh]

Originally Posted by swagon

3. The M buttons and customization like we know it from other M GmbH vehicles is not present in the M2. Instead, it is pre-set and you select various driving modes via the standard F-gen button near the shifter. Eco to Sport Plus, and Sport Plus is MDM. It also gives you the fastest DCT shifts.

Master Data Management?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by terminator335i

bloody m cars with m performance accessories. just bmw trying to make more money
youve already forked out big money for an "M" car yet it doesnt come standard with "M" parts!!! Oh whats that ? u want "M" exhaust, M splitters, M spoiler, M diffuser, M steering wheel, M performance brakes, M this M that...then thats extra $$$$. seriously a fckn M car these days is just a shell with an engine...

You sir , are sipping so much hater aid, that I'm afraid you might drown !


30 years ago , when people wanted higher performance items than what was available on the E30 M3, they turned to something called a GRUPPE N catalog where they could buy things like a close ratio transmission, unique differentials, stiffer shocks and springs , stiffer motor mounts and transmission parts., and of course EVO parts were available like the M dead pedal ( currently worth a million bucks) , EVO 3 steering wheel, front bumper fog light covers , bumper trim, front and rear splitters, an entire host of parts of which came on the E30 M3 SPORT EVO but not available on the stock E30 M3.

Pretty amazing when the same thing happens 30 years later and the catalog is called " M PERFORMANCE " that a bunch of owners that call themselves old school can't " recognize ".




When all these " M performance " parts show up tacked on an M2 and available for purchase, it will be called an M2 CSL or M2 GTS just like BMW Has done with the M4.


Do Porsche fans scream that they don't get all the GT parts on their base Cayman, Cayman S or Cayman GTS? I wonder.

[EzequielR]

I'm disappointed in the fact that this is the first M car they've decided to not institute all the M features on... it's a bit confusing. although they are very small dismissible features they very much enhance the cars "sportiness" and set it apart from the normal 2 series.

[AGAV13]

Why not white backglow like all other M cars?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by SaMaster14

I think once this car comes out, and people actually start driving it everyone is going to forget about the mirror and the roof and the 'hood bulge.'

Not to poop on the party, but I must say that I do find myself looking at my bespoke mirrors all the time while driving, especially with the windows down.

Also, the M3 engine is based off the N54, true twin turbo, no single turbo twin scroll. I think that makes a HUGE difference. I had a 335is before with the N54, and the LCI 335 with the N55 was a let down imo vs the true twin turbo...

I can see that point of view coming from an F80 owner - but you paid to get those goodies too. Just like me with the Cayman S. There are extra things that $75,000+ cars are going to have. Could BMW have done something different to the mirrors? Of course. But there's a long list of things that could have been changed...they focused on "go fast" stuff (again, thankfully).

I think the most amusing aspect of most of the complaints (the M2 mirrors included) is that many people on here want 100% of the options available for the F8X M cars in the M2. That's just not the point of this car. It's another parts bin special (not a disparaging comment by the way) and is meant to have less complexity from a production standpoint.

To use the words of Fred Sanford, you can't get champagne for champipple money. 😋 The M2, like the 1M before it, is the best "back to basics" car that BMW can make today. We should be glad they're trying.

[F30form]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

You sir , are sipping so much hater aid, that I'm afraid you might drown !


30 years ago , when people wanted higher performance items than what was available on the E30 M3, they turned to something called a GRUPPE N catalog where they could buy things like a close ratio transmission, unique differentials, stiffer shocks and springs , stiffer motor mounts and transmission parts., and of course EVO parts were available like the M dead pedal ( currently worth a million bucks) , EVO 3 steering wheel, front bumper fog light covers , bumper trim, front and rear splitters, an entire host of parts of which came on the E30 M3 SPORT EVO but not available on the stock E30 M3.

Pretty amazing when the same thing happens 30 years later and the catalog is called " M PERFORMANCE " that a bunch of owners that call themselves old school can't " recognize ".




When all these " M performance " parts show up tacked on an M2 and available for purchase, it will be called an M2 CSL or M2 GTS just like BMW Has done with the M4.


Do Porsche fans scream that they don't get all the GT parts on their base Cayman, Cayman S or Cayman GTS? I wonder.

Thank you for posting this. I was about to in a rage, but now I feel better. M-Technik has been around for decades. People can be really short sighted on this stuff.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by EzequielR

I'm disappointed in the fact that this is the first M car they've decided to not institute all the M features on... it's a bit confusing. although they are very small dismissible features they very much enhance the cars "sportiness" and set it apart from the normal 2 series.

It's actually the second,,, after the 1M but who's whining .. Er.. Counting ..

1M didn't get bespoke seats
1M didn't get bespoke engine
1M still a classic ...

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

It's actually the second,,, after the 1M but who's whining .. Er.. Counting ..

1M didn't get bespoke seats
1M didn't get bespoke engine
1M still a classic ...

Depends on where you draw the line... Both the 1M and M2 have seats that are not available on the regular series car so they both have special seats.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

Depends on where you draw the line... Both the 1M and M2 have seats that are not available on the regular series car so they both have special seats.

Agree but I believe that detractors have been upset that the same seat was available in 135 and 235 ( sans " launch color" stitching )

Personally I have no issues with my seats , non S motor or anything at all on my 1M.

My only gripes about the 1M are Overboost, US MDM and Corner brake control .. So .. Nothing that can't be coded or tuned.away.

[Cope]

Originally Posted by Rossifumi

Depends on where you draw the line... Both the 1M and M2 have seats that are not available on the regular series car so they both have special seats.

you mean the cute different colored stitching and the adorable imprinted M on the headrest? I mean, I'm not one of those crying over the lack of bespoke seats, but to say they're special is an overstatement.

Edit: I had no expectation of nicer seats, and even if they were nicer I would hazard a guess I'd prefer my fiesta's recaros lol.

[metrickid]

Originally Posted by Cope

you mean the cute different colored stitching and the adorable imprinted M on the headrest? I mean, I'm not one of those crying over the lack of bespoke seats, but to say they're special is an overstatement.

Edit: I had no expectation of nicer seats, and even if they were nicer I would hazard a guess I'd prefer my fiesta's recaros lol.

As I said, it depends on where you draw the line. They are not identical, if the change is enough for you to call them "bespoke" or not is personal.

[bdaddylo]

Originally Posted by IEDEI

LOL. So you're 3800 lb torque-less V8 bloated boat is the last 'true' M car? hahahahahaha!!

*pause*

hahahahahaha

M car is defined by the overall package.

Your 3,800 lb figure is a little off. The actual weight difference between the 1M and E92 is about 230 lbs.

As for torque-less V8, it still out accelerates the 1M in 0-60, 0-100, 0-130, 1/4 mile etc. Dr. Kay's anecdote regarding the 1M's horsepower falling off after 5,500 rpm can be applied to the S65 as well, "Shift!". But in the case of the S65 it's downshift as opposed to upshift for the 1M.