[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

Originally Posted by King_Slayer

I personally like the TTrs, performance is there, interior is there, looks are there etc. But in Canada it will be starting at 10k + more then an M2, that and just can't get off my mind that it's the urban dictionary's defintition of a hair dressers car

Lol, I think it looks ultra modern, the ONLY thing I don't like is the seats being sooooo small in the rear, but my future wife doesn't want children so...

Btw, it looks meaner than the M2 with those headlights and I feel like it is a car the pilot from Interstellar would drive!

[No Boost]

So glad I don't live life at 0-60

[SoCalRob]

Sorry, the Audi is not an attractive car (to me). Tries to look all badass, but comes off looking a bit flamboyant instead.

It's also missing a pedal, which makes it fatally flawed, again, in my opinion. -scr

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by SoCalRob

Sorry, the Audi is not an attractive car (to me). Tries to look all badass, but comes off looking a bit flamboyant instead.

It's also missing a pedal, which makes it fatally flawed, again, in my opinion. -scr

I detect a hint of VW bug when looking at the side profile. And yes, a nonexistent clutch pedal disqualifies it from my cross-shopping list.

[Rapture1]

I think the TT RS will not be available to order in the U.S. to spec until about the time you could order an M2 CS based on what is happening in the U.K. We'll see but I would want to order that car the way I wanted.

I'm still on the fence between the 2. They both have pluses and minuses.

[Hegge]

Not sure if you guys have seen this. Some guy on Car and Driver website named "Mh26" is saying TTRS and RS3 are not coming to US this year. Supposedly he went to his Audi dealer and they did not see any ordering details in the system.

His messages on C&D website were in December before x-mas. Kinda makes sense, since TTRS and RS3 do NOT show up on Audi's USA website under future vehicles. You would assume they would if they were coming out this summer. Plus no appearance at Detroit Auto Show. Mh26 could be right.

[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Not sure if you guys have seen this. Some guy on Car and Driver website named "Mh26" is saying TTRS and RS3 are not coming to US this year. Supposedly he went to his Audi dealer and they did not see any ordering details in the system.

His messages on C&D website were in December before x-mas. Kinda makes sense, since TTRS and RS3 do NOT show up on Audi's USA website under future vehicles. You would assume they would if they were coming out this summer. Plus no appearance at Detroit Auto Show. Mh26 could be right.

Hegge, the TT RS was given to reviewers on Q3/4 2016. It will launch on 2017 summer, my Audi dealership confirmed it in PR.

[ClothSeats]

Transverse front engine means it will always be nose-heavy. This engine deserves a better platform IMO.

[Spinnetti]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

Transverse front engine means it will always be nose-heavy. This engine deserves a better platform IMO.

Yep, the A5 platform with a manual trans.... alas, tis not to be....

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

Transverse front engine means it will always be nose-heavy. This engine deserves a better platform IMO.

Understeer is a sports car's kryptonite....saltpeter to a porn star.

[gtr]

Maybe Audi is think about the ttrs plus next year due to the M2cs threat. I was planning to trade my M2 for a ttrs until the M2cs is out.

They need to tune the ttrs like the golf r more aggressive.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by gtr

Maybe Audi is think about the ttrs plus next year due to the M2cs threat. I was planning to trade my M2 for a ttrs until the M2cs is out.

They need to tune the ttrs like the golf r more aggressive.

I didn't know they were going to make a TT-RS plus - all this competition is great for people like us.

I think the TT-RS looks awesome, will be interesting to see what tweaks are introduced for the plus version.

[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I didn't know they were going to make a TT-RS plus - all this competition is great for people like us.

I think the TT-RS looks awesome, will be interesting to see what tweaks are introduced for the plus version.

There is NO confirmed plus version, don't believe everything you read, especially on this forum.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M2GranCoupeOLEDlights

There is NO confirmed plus version, don't believe everything you read, especially on this forum.

Fair enough, but it's fun to hope.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by ClothSeats

Transverse front engine means it will always be nose-heavy. This engine deserves a better platform IMO.

It's not too bad re: The almost 1 sec quicker lap time on this test track with a moderate driver

[dmboone25]

^^^ thanks for the video - the TT-RS is looking and sounding very quick on that track. And the 718 IS over 2 seconds quicker...while the new car doesn't sound very good, there's no denying that it is very, very fast.

[Spinnetti]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

^^^ thanks for the video - the TT-RS is looking and sounding very quick on that track. And the 718 IS over 2 seconds quicker...while the new car doesn't sound very good, there's no denying that it is very, very fast.

Best part is, another $5k or so and you have a 600+ HP TTRS.... nothing beats the VAG stuff for HP/$. Their motors have LOTS of tuning overhead in them. If I can't score a M2 by the time the RS3 is out here, I'll get one of those instead - much better comparison to the M2 vs. the TTRS (well, assuming I can't find a good deal on a used R8 by then)

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Spinnetti

Best part is, another $5k or so and you have a 600+ HP TTRS.... nothing beats the VAG stuff for HP/$. Their motors have LOTS of tuning overhead in them. If I can't score a M2 by the time the RS3 is out here, I'll get one of those instead - much better comparison to the M2 vs. the TTRS (well, assuming I can't find a good deal on a used R8 by then)

Who am I to suggest something but I think it's better to invest in a less understeery setup on that car in that French video than in more hp...imho that wouldn't help the car at all. Yes on the Autobahn or longer straights.

My guess it's about balance, guys at Mazda (MX5) and Toyota/Subaru(GT86/BRZ) think like that. And it's nice to be faster in the rain, but to understand and control a balanced(rwd) car in slippery/wet condititions is WAY more satisfying than pedal to metal and power.Understeer.Power. Understeer.

I'm not talking R8(R8 V10 plus bring it on great car) because that car has a totally different layout(mid engine awd) than stock Audi RS/TT RS cars off course.

5 cylinder sounds great nontheless.

My guess: A few here would be just as fast or faster than that guy in that TT RS on that Magny Cours Club track in any stock M2. But hey it's a promotional video and they need airtime and clicks.

Cheers
Robin

[dmboone25]

I get the understeer argument - but I would think that even incremental improvements in the system would be beneficial, right?

I've had 6 RWD cars in a row, so maybe I would hate it - I don't know, but certainly plan to drive one. The interior of the car is just so nice - and that's where you spend the majority of the time.

I think it looks and sounds awesome too - since getting the 981, sound has become a much more important factor to me. I was behind an M2 recently and sort of cringed when he was getting on the throttle - I know it's supposed to be better than the M3, but seems like that might be a low bar...the Audi 5 cylinder sounds awesome. And no fake noise needed...nice differentiating factor in my book.

TT-RS plus vs. M2 CS would be a fun comparo - let's hope they make both.

[Spinnetti]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Who am I to suggest something but I think it's better to invest in a less understeery setup on that car in that French video than in more hp...imho that wouldn't help the car at all. Yes on the Autobahn or longer straights.

My guess it's about balance, guys at Mazda (MX5) and Toyota/Subaru(GT86/BRZ) think like that. And it's nice to be faster in the rain, but to understand and control a balanced(rwd) car in slippery/wet condititions is WAY more satisfying than pedal to metal and power.Understeer.Power. Understeer.

I'm not talking R8(R8 V10 plus bring it on great car) because that car has a totally different layout(mid engine awd) than stock Audi RS/TT RS cars off course.

5 cylinder sounds great nontheless.

My guess: A few here would be just as fast or faster than that guy in that TT RS on that Magny Cours Club track in any stock M2. But hey it's a promotional video and they need airtime and clicks.

Cheers
Robin

Fair point, but everybody here talks like the car can't be touched. I modify the bejesus out of every car I own and this constant understeer complaint is relative - I doubt many here have the skill or opportunity to drive a car hard enough to experience it as a problem if is even a problem in real life. My specialty is suspension tuning and you can make a FWD honda rotate more than any RWD car - its all in the tuning and not hard to do. I have a bug that will spin the tires through 3rd gear, and its got some understeer, but if you fully commit to a corner it rotates just fine - its fun to get a big slide then let the stability control snap it back in line. I haven't driven the TTRS (like but don't love it) but if a bit stiffer rear shocks, and adjustable rear swaybar is probably all it needs if anything at all. Any of this sort of car has more cornering capability than you can fully exploit on the street but you can always use more power; If power didn't matter I'd probably have a Cayman

[Robin_NL]

I know about suspension setups too, no worries. Lift throttle oversteer on my ex Golfs and some 205GTI/309GTI was my, let's say, speciality some 20 years ago. But nowadays they make cars way too 'neutral understeery'. You see it with the TT RS. Not so much with M2. The way the new diff behaves on track(Assen Moto GP) in moist 2nd gear bends is surreal, it does not understeer when half on throttle, it just keeps pointing in. Incredible for a streetcar. As a daily many Audis are well built fast/luxurious semi sporty cars, but they will never reach the balanced //M level, suspension settings.

And even an M2 is tunable. Doh
In Sportauto Issue 3/2017 the Laptime Performance 415HP M2 did a 1:09.7 at Hockenheim Short , that's 991 GT3 territory. (M2 stock 1:12.2)

And competitor MTM with a 502HP(!) tuned RS3 did 1:11.5....

I know an RS3 is not a TT RS but I guess you know what I mean...

Cheers
Robin

[M2GranCoupeOLEDlights]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I know about suspension setups too, no worries. Lift throttle oversteer on my ex Golfs and some 205GTI/309GTI was my, let's say, speciality some 20 years ago. But nowadays they make cars way too 'neutral understeery'. You see it with the TT RS. Not so much with M2. The way the new diff behaves on track(Assen Moto GP) in moist 2nd gear bends is surreal, it does not understeer when half on throttle, it just keeps pointing in. Incredible for a streetcar. As a daily many Audis are well built fast/luxurious semi sporty cars, but they will never reach the balanced //M level, suspension settings.

And even an M2 is tunable. Doh
In Sportauto Issue 3/2017 the Laptime Performance 415HP M2 did a 1:09.7 at Hockenheim Short , that's 991 GT3 territory. (M2 stock 1:12.2)

And competitor MTM with a 502HP(!) tuned RS3 did 1:11.5....

I know an RS3 is not a TT RS but I guess you know what I mean...

Cheers
Robin

By guessing what you mean = TT RS with same tune level as the m2 = audi is faster on track?