[C_Competition]

Got the info from my dealer in Spain today that production starts August 14th and that I will be able to order in July

[silverado]

Originally Posted by Levente_CSL

oh man. stop lying to yourself. the new one is much more agressive. you know it too

Seriously? Lying to himself?!

I too think that the new front looks less aggressive and prefer the M2 front. Note that some people disliked the large new grille before it was put in the M2 Competition.

[KevM2]

Originally Posted by silverado

Seriously? Lying to himself?!

I too think that the new front looks less aggressive and prefer the M2 front. Note that some people disliked the large new grille before it was put in the M2 Competition.

As it was requested by someone few posts above, can somebody please put a side by side M2 vs M2C front pic? Thanks!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by ryem3

Not sure about more feedback, but the electronic steering in the M2 is shit. Hopefully there is improvement in on center feel. The system is so far from a hydraulic rack it's ridiculous.

Agree.. the on center feel and movement immediately off center ( for example when you need to dial in a little steering due to a wind gust ) just isn't accurate.
The other thing is when the rack gives up in max cornering and then kicks back... . you can see it sort of give up and then re-try ..

now then.. I wouldn't call the M2 EPS complete shit... that would be the original version on the F30 and the 2010ish X3. But I do agree that it's going to take a lot to give me to give up the hydraulic rack in my 1M. It's an absolute JOY to get in the car and FEEL THE ROAD AGAIN.

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I think we are all reminiscent of the hydraulic assisted days - but I think the newer versions of the EPS systems are certainly better. The one in my 235 was awful, but I had just come out of a 135, so the difference was glaring.

The 981 and ZCP F80 are both much better than the 235, and the limited time I've had in the F87 echos the overall improvement - these systems are certainly getting better over time.

CLARIFICATION:

the newer versions of BMW EPS Systems are certainly better... and improving for the most part with each new performance vehicle.

The Honda EPS in the S2000 was pretty awesome from the jump.
The Porsche EPS that is in the Boxster/Cayman sure doesnt keep it from being named the best handling car on the planet.

[fullstack]

Originally Posted by C_Competition

Got the info from my dealer in Spain today that production starts August 14th and that I will be able to order in July

They're starting production at different times for different markets. BMW is starting production for North America first since it is their biggest market. Production starts in July for NA. Ordering starts in may.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Levente_CSL

oh man. stop lying to yourself. the new one is much more agressive. you know it too

Or.... people have different opinions and forums tend to bias to newer is better.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Zombie_Head

I believe it is so much more than that. That Competition has a true S55 engine, detuned but hardware wise it maybe a copy paste from the M3/M4.

The M2 has a weird hybrid engine from BMW. It is a N55 (single turbo) with S55 internals (pistons, rods and crank if i am not mistaken).

Tuning potential, the S55 hits 500+hp with just software, the N55 would be touching a tad over 400 with software (maybe 410? i am not sure).

So depends how you see it, yes it is heavier but it also has more power, so it cancels that out, unless if that weight is shown in the bends.

Weight is always there. More power just masks the sensation caused by weight.

More power with less weight is always faster than more power with more weight.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by AgentBishop

My bad...That's what I get for being lazy and just assuming.

However, wouldn't more weight actually increase the traction problem and further the need to change the torque curve?

Don’t overthink this too much. Even the M3/4 saw their low RPM torque reduced when they released the CP. It is assumed that it is to resolve complaints about traction.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Absolutely incorrect but glorious marketing speak.
There is demand for Tesla Model 3. But Tesla is not building enough cars to meet demand. Let me say it in bmw speak. " we under estimated the amount of vehicles we need to produce to meet demand " which is to say that we actually know how many we want to produce and we don't intent to produce more than that !
The same is true for BMW with the M2.
They did NOT build enough cars to meet demand as many buyers that wanted one eventually moved on to another vehicle.
As buyers eventually got OUT OF LINE and bought other vehicles , the supply caught up with demand.
As buyers saw the M2 Competition was coming .. even MORE buyers stopped buying and now M2 supply is over demand.
Please don't try and spin this any other way unless you are going to produce the following figures as a know quantity.
BMW M2 original production goal.
BMW M2 original production capacity
BMW current production capacity
BMW M2 Competition production capacity.

It was reported during Winter 2015/2016 that (at least back then) the M2 required more production time than other models at the Leipzig factory: the M2 was briefly taken out of the production line to prevent production delays for other BMW models (separate treatment off the common production line): see here.

Also, BMW M boss Frank van Meel confirmed in the past that the M2 production had been increased or was intended to be increased:

• see for example here: "the M2 has exceeded everyone's expectations. The customer demand has been so big that we're still working on increasing our production volumes to fulfill our customer needs, but we plan to get it in balance again in the year 2017 so that we get more cars available for our customers."
• and here: "There is so much demand worldwide for the M2, we need to bring up production volumes."

For some M2 production figures: take another look at the dedicated threads: see here (2017) and here (pre-LCI production (MY2016 + MY2017)).

If you want all data, ask BMW M, rather than me. As pointed out a couple of times before, I am by no means affiliated to BMW or BMW M.

[shivaswrath]

M4 just got cannibalized

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by swifty

Is this the new silver or Alpine White?

Both

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

It was reported during Winter 2015/2016 that (at least back then) the M2 required more production time than other models at the Leipzig factory: the M2 was briefly taken out of the production line to prevent production delays for other BMW models (separate treatment off the common production line): see here.

Also, BMW M boss Frank van Meel confirmed in the past that the M2 production had been increased or was intended to be increased:

• see for example here: "the M2 has exceeded everyone's expectations. The customer demand has been so big that we're still working on increasing our production volumes to fulfill our customer needs, but we plan to get it in balance again in the year 2017 so that we get more cars available for our customers."
• and here: "There is so much demand worldwide for the M2, we need to bring up production volumes."

For some M2 production figures: take another look at the dedicated threads: see here (2017) and here (pre-LCI production (MY2016 + MY2017)).

If you want all data, ask BMW M, rather than me. As pointed out a couple of times before, I am by no means affiliated to BMW or BMW M.

Excellent... since you have no data to back your statements.. I just want you to turn off the SPIN cycle.

When a manufacturer struggles to bring a product to market for OVER A YEAR.... there is something TOTALLY FUBAR or it's by DESIGN.

i'll say It a different way. BMW's projections on their ability to sell the M2, WERE HORRIBLE. how they could be so bad.. when they had the 1M as a test marketing item is RIDICULOUS.

how bad is it to be off by FIFTY PERCENT? That's an error that someone should be FIRED for if that truly is the case.

Based on your quotations above.. BMW should have all their " production capacity issues" sorted by now.. its 2018.

And yet here you are... trying to set expectations as if you DO work for BMW.

Originally Posted by Artemis

A screenshot leaked in the past showed October 2020 as end of production for the F87 M2. The M2 Competition is no limited edition. As long as there will be demand, BMW will make as many as production capacity allows. That's what's been told in the past and it makes sense, as the current N55 M2 will be discontinued this semester.

Quite forseeable that demand for the M2 Competition will be high in the early stages, causing bottleneck situations. Remember 2015/2016: long queues for the M2. Things got 'calmer' afterwards and delivery times shorter, also because the M2 production had been ramped up in the meantime.

f there is anything more than a 90 day delay in M2 COMP production catching up to demand then it will show you that their PRODUCTION CAPACITY is SO SMALL THAT THEY CANNOT MAKE ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH DEMAND. Which means that their calculations REMAIN horrible.. OR... are BY DESIGN.


Did the M4 have this kind of production issues? how about the i8? The X3 ? The last production BMW that I can recall having serious issues with limitations in production capacity (aside from the 1M which was planned as a single year only ) is the E84 BMW X1... which had to be delayed for over a year to the US market because it was selling so well in Europe. of course..they sold more than 10,000 X1 in a year as well..


The simple fact here is that BMW did not PLAN to sell the 2 series in high volume. it's planned, marketed and sold as an EXTREMELY low volume car for them.. REGARDLESS of customer demand.. because they have already made the decisions on how much plant time, space, etc they want to use on production of the 2 series chassis in Leipzig :

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Excellent... since you have no data to back your statements.. I just want you to turn off the SPIN cycle.

When a manufacturer struggles to bring a product to market for OVER A YEAR.... there is something TOTALLY FUBAR or it's by DESIGN.

i'll say It a different way. BMW's projections on their ability to sell the M2, WERE HORRIBLE.

how bad is it to be off by FIFTY PERCENT? That's an error that someone should be FIRED for if that truly is the case.

Based on your quotations above.. BMW should have this all sorted by now.. its 2018.

f there is anything more than a 90 day delay in M2 COMP production catching up to demand then it will show you that their PRODUCTION CAPACITY is SO SMALL THAT THEY CANNOT MAKE ENOUGH TO KEEP UP WITH DEMAND. Which means that their calculations REMAIN horrible.. OR... are BY DESIGN.

Whilst we're at the alleged "spinning" practice, allow me a little twist at an old record again:

BMW 1M:

• 2700 scheduled
• high demand - production cranked up around September 2011
• 6309 produced
• calculation: no matter how bad/good one can be at maths, it's for sure way more than 50%

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Whilst we're at the alleged "spinning" practice, allow me a little twist at an old record again:

BMW 1M:

• 2700 scheduled
• high demand - production cranked up around September 2011
• 6309 produced
• calculation: no matter how bad/good one can be at maths, it's for sure way more than 50%

So.. you are makiny my point for me.. Even after SCREWING UP on demand for the 1M.. they STILL were off by 50 percent...

6309 1M produced (and sold) in a single year.. .. and how many M2 have been made... They should have anticipated demand for at MINIMUM 18 thousand over a 3 year ... BMW should have come out of the box ready to make at least 7500 M2 in a year..


interesting.. some guy posted info about M2 production volume...


http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...duction+volume

Through 11.3.2016 (+/- ~10 but fairly accurate): 5973 M2's produced. (LESS than 1M production)

5600 EH91 Euro LHD M2 through 3/23/17
3194 EH92 Euro RHD M2 through 4/5/2017
2822 EH93 NA M2 (US and Canada) through 4/5/2017

TOTAL 11,616

[crispy tofu]

Originally Posted by elitex

I just can't help but feel that Bmw screwed the original M2 buyers. Why not offer S55 originally? All the competition packages so far were the same engine just higher state of tune. This is a first for Bmw.

I don't feel screwed at all. I feel I got a badass car, and have no desire for the comp. The N55 sings. The M3 engine sounds like garbage.

[Ras550]

Seriously, the front fascia and the new color make it look like a new generation.

I've never liked the looks of the 2 series - always felt BMW has held back to maintain distance from the more expensive M3/M4.

However, this one looks very pretty and much better looking to me than the M4. What a difference sheet metal can make!

[Hrothgar]

Bummer about the loss of MG. My favorite color by far! However, I think I can live with it wrapped in 3M Satin Dark Gray. Sexy color and protects the car. Win!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Ras550

Seriously, the front fascia and the new color make it look like a new generation.

I've never liked the looks of the 2 series - always felt BMW has held back to maintain distance from the more expensive M3/M4.

However, this one looks very pretty and much better looking to me than the M4. What a difference sheet metal can make!

I couldn't (reasonably) procure an M2 when I got my F80...but I don't need 4 doors, I just thought the M3 looked so much better than the M4. It looks sooooooooooo long, like a 6er. Just not my thing.

Love the overall size and shape of the 2er - reminds me of my 981 in size, and is very close to the E46. That's a magic formula.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Weight is always there. More power just masks the sensation caused by weight.

More power with less weight is always faster than more power with more weight.

It appears that adding more power is much easier than the car going on a diet.

[Poochie]

The perforated color stitching in middle of M Sport seats (?Standard US?), I know they're both a design overkill but which one do you guys prefer?

Edit: Polar Blue or Orange?

[///M4ster Yoda]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The perforated color stitching in middle of M Sport seats (?Standard US?), I know they're both a design overkill but which one do you guys prefer?

Edit: Polar Blue or Orange?

Neither. I would order with the standard seats

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by ///M4ster Yoda

Neither. I would order with the standard seats

Word on the street is that they're standard in the US specs.