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      02-05-2018, 05:00 PM   #1
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The STI vs M2 seems to have been compared ad nauseam. I specifically created a new thread because of the cost similarity between these two specific cars. Personally, I think this particular STI iteration costs $20k more than what it's probably worth, even accounting for its very limited production of 500 units. I'm a previous WRX owner and hold no ill will towards Subaru but this model has been in desperate need of an overhaul for years now. Charging $50k for an STI with a few tweaks makes little sense to me.
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I've owned three WRXs, and all I can say is, "Just say no." This is the height of absurdity.
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I like the Type RA, but just not at the $50K pricepoint, especially with the old EJ25 engine. If it had the JDM EJ20 or a new FA20, then I could probably justify the $50K.
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I owned a 2015 STi before the M2. The two cars are not in the same league. The STi doesn’t even do that well against its competition (Focus RS, Golf R, etc.) let alone the M2. The STi is a good car for around $35k, not $50k... particularly when it’s the same old EJ25 with 5 more HP than the base model lol.
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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review

The STI vs M2 seems to have been compared ad nauseam. I specifically created a new thread because of the cost similarity between these two specific cars. Personally, I think this particular STI iteration costs $20k more than what it's probably worth, even accounting for its very limited production of 500 units. I'm a previous WRX owner and hold no ill will towards Subaru but this model has been in desperate need of an overhaul for years now. Charging $50k for an STI with a few tweaks makes little sense to me.
I had an '09 STI. Loved it all the way up until the ringland fried. That's 9 years ago and I was still thinking back then that the motor needed a refresh. After the motor had to be rebuilt I moved on to a 335i and have never looked back. Fun car, but as everyone has already said, super outdated through and through.
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I traded in a 2016 Subaru WRX - yeah it's not an STI but there's just no comparison to the M2 - absolutely none.

Well maybe handling since the WRX has AWD.

But for someone to pay $50K for that STI RA???...have to be out of their minds. For exactly $1,120 more, I got a used 2018 M2 w/ 3500 miles on the clock.
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STI's are balls slow without a tune. I had to get out of my lemon 2012 Mustang GT and with winter coming I got a 2013 STI and first thing I realized after coming from a 5.0L Mustang was just how wimpy the EJ257 is stock. You have to work that engine very hard just to keep up with minivans at stop light intersections. To make matters worse the interiors are loud and rattle like a paint can. If you desire a minimalist sedan that has above average all-weather capability it's fine but if you have high expectations it will disappoint. The current chassis is a little better but the cars like the Focus RS, Civic Type R are better track cars and cars like the Golf R are better street cars. It's kind of a dinosaur.

In regards to the RA you have to be a really big Subaru fanboy to pony up $50k for an Impreza. For a low volume special edition they couldn't even sell many on pre-order as there are plenty sitting on lots because I suppose there aren't enough stupid people willing to pay that much for an STI.
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It's expensive, and the port injection tech is from the 80's, but they did address the weak pistons from the EJ25 in the RA edition. Plus hydraulic steering isn't found on many cars these days. The next one will probably be some type of hybrid, so get it while you can.

With that said, I'd still never spend $50K on an STI, lol.
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Pretty sure the next STI will come with the new FA24DIT and hybrid won’t be for at least another generation as Subaru is behind most automakers in the hybrid race and there’s little chance they could bring an STI hybrid to market in a couple years and keep it near the current price point. They are still messing around with CVT’s as they will one day have to adopt an 7-10 speed auto to keep up with the rest of the industry. A lot of people would balk at a $40k+ STI hybrid with CVT.
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With any luck, the new BRZ will get that motor, which will definitely make me question the M2 ownership 3-4 years from now.
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One is a variation of a Dodge Neon SRT. The other is a luxury sports car. Not even the same class.
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One is a variation of a Dodge Neon SRT. The other is a luxury sports car. Not even the same class.
That’s kind of selling the STI short.
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That’s kind of selling the STI short.
A little lol. What I’m trying to say though is one is based off an economy car. Sure it performs well, but doesn’t have the fit and finish of an already nicely appointed BMW.

This type of debate is what keeps muscle cars alive. They continue to punch above their weight in such a way that people are willing to overlook the fit and finish part. Now if we were comparing the M2 against a Porsche, then it’s a more difficult argument.
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A little lol. What I’m trying to say though is one is based off an economy car. Sure it performs well, but doesn’t have the fit and finish of an already nicely appointed BMW.

This type of debate is what keeps muscle cars alive. They continue to punch above their weight in such a way that people are willing to overlook the fit and finish part. Now if we were comparing the M2 against a Porsche, then it’s a more difficult argument.
LOL you think a 128 base model with no options is a nicely appointed luxury car?
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LOL you think a 128 base model with no options is a nicely appointed luxury car?
Sure when you compare it to the field of what else is out there in the same size. And I thought we were talking about the 2 series.
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While I loved my 16' WRX and love all subies....$50k is just rubbish lol

Heck no.
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Yes the STi is very outdated even more so overpriced but that comes with a silver lining; the antiquated steering and shift feel out the box is superior to the M2s- its very analog feeling and the vibrations are smile inducing. Also its lighter and id say similarly tosssable. But the fact is you'll need to invest 20k (perpsonal experiance) to get to M2 power.

They hold their value well (in Canada at least) but unless you're ripping cotton, changing coils daily, and a JDM bro don't buy a Suby.
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Yes the STi is very outdated even more so overpriced but that comes with a silver lining; the antiquated steering and shift feel out the box is superior to the M2s- its very analog feeling and the vibrations are smile inducing. Also its lighter and id say similarly tosssable. But the fact is you'll need to invest 20k (perpsonal experiance) to get to M2 power.

They hold their value well (in Canada at least) but unless you're ripping cotton, changing coils daily, and a JDM bro don't buy a Suby.
The problem, from my own personal experience, is that they (STi) are so unpleasant to be in after about 20 minutes that whatever fun they are to drive is quickly forgotten as the unpleasantness of the cabin environment and all the noise and vibration cancels out all of the pleasure.

That is, if you are over 25.
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I like the Type RA, but just not at the $50K pricepoint, especially with the old EJ25 engine.
What, you don't like spending $50k for piston slap and rod knock at 30,000 miles?
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Yes the STi is very outdated even more so overpriced but that comes with a silver lining; the antiquated steering and shift feel out the box is superior to the M2s- its very analog feeling and the vibrations are smile inducing. Also its lighter and id say similarly tosssable. But the fact is you'll need to invest 20k (perpsonal experiance) to get to M2 power.

They hold their value well (in Canada at least) but unless you're ripping cotton, changing coils daily, and a JDM bro don't buy a Suby.
I completely disagree about the STI steering. Having owned one, once those steering rack bushings break in, the steering is soft and numb. It feels like crap. I took mine back to the dealer thinking there was a problem. The m2 feels better IMO. And would not call the STI tossable when it understeers horrifically. I can speak to this personally after many an autocross day. It took some help from whiteline sways, stickier rubber, and more power for it to want to move around.
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What, you don't like spending $50k for piston slap and rod knock at 30,000 miles?
Don't forget lifter tick. It's not a matter of if but when. While not harmful, this is why all old Subies sound like garbage.
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RA vs

I just got out of an RA into an M2 base. The cars are not in the same league. M2 is twice the car, easy.

One thing I will say, the RA has better steering and better clutch/shift feel than the M2. RA's steering is hyraulic and much more communicative. The clutch is heavier and shorter than the M2 and the throws are shorter.

Power? No comparison.

Handling? They both have insane grip..... its really a matter of understeer vs oversteer. Because i'm a relatively novice driver, for the time being, I could definitely drive the RA faster and more confidently than the M2 in anything but a straight line.

here's my favorite review of the Type RA from my favorite reviewer, SavageGeese, he absolutely nails it:

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I just got out of an RA into an M2 base. The cars are not in the same league. M2 is twice the car, easy.

One thing I will say, the RA has better steering and better clutch/shift feel than the M2. RA's steering is hyraulic and much more communicative. The clutch is heavier and shorter than the M2 and the throws are shorter.

Power? No comparison.

Handling? They both have insane grip..... its really a matter of understeer vs oversteer. Because i'm a relatively novice driver, for the time being, I could definitely drive the RA faster and more confidently than the M2 in anything but a straight line.

here's my favorite review of the Type RA from my favorite reviewer, SavageGeese, he absolutely nails it:

They must have upgraded the clutch in the RA because the clutch in my 16 STI was GARBAGE. The engagement was almost all the way at the top of the travel even after adjusting it as much as possible. Paired with the awful throttle response (laggy in comfort, spazzy in sport, +) it was undriveable as a daily. I put 2k miles on mine and punted it.
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