[3Si]

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Honestly, quite surprised by the results.

[Deutsches Blut]

Originally Posted by 3Si

Honestly, quite surprised by the results.

Great vid. Surprised as well that the M2 did so well against the Mustang.

Cayuga is a tight track, the results would be different at Molsport.

It also shows me I have some work to do, as my best this year has been 1:25 at Cayuga. (6MT). Ouch!

[3Si]

Originally Posted by Deutsches Blut

Great vid. Surprised as well that the M2 did so well against the Mustang.

Cayuga is a tight track, the results would be different at Molsport.

It also shows me I have some work to do, as my best this year has been 1:25 at Cayuga. (6MT). Ouch!

Agree, Mosport would be a totally different story, just the back straight alone would've made the difference. 1:25 is very respectable. I'm around there myself, still ways to go to 1:21.

[Deutsches Blut]

Originally Posted by 3Si

Agree, Mosport would be a totally different story, just the back straight alone would've made the difference. 1:25 is very respectable. I'm around there myself, still ways to go to 1:21.

Agreed. Maybe once all mods are done. Still stock for now.

Most of my tracking is Wed or Friday evenings. But just started 2 weeks ago with the M2 and did both Wednesdays. Maybe we will bump in to each other.

[Deutsches Blut]

Originally Posted by 3Si

Agree, Mosport would be a totally different story, just the back straight alone would've made the difference. 1:25 is very respectable. I'm around there myself, still ways to go to 1:21.

Also, by chance was your car parked at the airport this past week?

[3Si]

Originally Posted by Deutsches Blut

Agreed. Maybe once all mods are done. Still stock for now.

Most of my tracking is Wed or Friday evenings. But just started 2 weeks ago with the M2 and did both Wednesdays. Maybe we will bump in to each other.

I'm done until my camber plates arrive. Some minor chunking on the side of the PSS. I usually go with the Wolfsburg Group or Toronto Mustang Club. We should try to set something up for sure!

Haven't been to the airport lately, must be another LBB.

[c1pher]

Too much Canadian accent talking that took too long and drawn out, almost as if in slow motion. What was the result?

[Deutsches Blut]

Originally Posted by MGM135is

Too much Canadian accent talking that took too long and drawn out, almost as if in slow motion. What was the result?

We have much more time on our hands in Canada.

[Deutsches Blut]

Originally Posted by 3Si

I'm done until my camber plates arrive. Some minor chunking on the side of the PSS. I usually go with the Wolfsburg Group or Toronto Mustang Club. We should try to set something up for sure!

Haven't been to the airport lately, must be another LBB.

A couple of work colleagues and I are planning a Friday evening in the next couple of weeks. I will keep you posted.

[bruin1md]

Originally Posted by 3Si

Honestly, quite surprised by the results.

Why on earth won't they do these comparisons as true apples to apples and have both cars equipped with a 6MT?
Drives me nuts when I see one car with a DCT and the other with a 6MT being compared on the track.

[bruin1md]

Originally Posted by 3Si

Honestly, quite surprised by the results.

Like I've said, the GT350 has best sounding exhaust note of any car I've ever driven. Literally made me giddy driving it.

Please tell the M2 he was driving wasn't equipped with the MPE, or I'm going to be really depressed.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by MGM135is

Too much Canadian accent talking that took too long and drawn out, almost as if in slow motion. What was the result?

He said he rather have Civic R than either

[akkando]

Originally Posted by bruin1md

Why on earth won't they do these comparisons as true apples to apples and have both cars equipped with a 6MT?
Drives me nuts when I see one car with a DCT and the other with a 6MT being compared on the track.

Probably didn't have access to a MT M2. That why on earth they did this caparison I think.

[qnet]

I just watched this. It came up on my Youtube feed and I wondered was this the video I was waiting for and it was. I was a little surprised by the results also, the M2 held it's own.

[bruin1md]

Originally Posted by akkando

Probably didn't have access to a MT M2. That why on earth they did this caparison I think.

If they're going out of their way to do a track comparison for a video like this, I have a hard time believing they can't get a hold of a 6MT M2.

I raised the point b/c it's not the first time I've seen comparisons like this between 2 cars with different transmissions.
If memory serves correct, I think the same thing happened with either with the Motor trend or Car and driver video comparing the Camaro 2SS and the M4.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by bruin1md

If they're going out of their way to do a track comparison for a video like this, I have a hard time believing they can't get a hold of a 6MT M2.

I raised the point b/c it's not the first time I've seen comparisons like this between 2 cars with different transmissions.
If memory serves correct, I think the same thing happened with either with the Motor trend or Car and driver video comparing the Camaro 2SS and the M4.

Yes and there was one recently with a DSG Audi TTRS against a MT porsche cayman and a MT M2.

Anyway this youtube channel with the Mustang and the M2 only has just over 10k subscribers, so they might not have the kind of pull that makes it easy for them to produce the right transmission on the right car in time for a shoot.

Something like Motor Trend has MILLIONS of subscribers and has much less excuse for not being able to get the right cars to compare apples to apples.

[zenmaster]

Anyone still trust Motor Trend after the last Lightning Lap driving?

[M3 Number 86]

I stopped watching as soon as he said I'm not turning traction control off all the way. How can you analyze a car when you don't have total control?

I recently drove a manual M2 at buttonwillow. The only great thing was how well it could turn in. Everything else felt like literally nothing. I've really wanted one but after driving it on track, it completely fell off the list. lol

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Anyone still trust Motor Trend after the last Lightning Lap driving?

Since when American magazines are unbiased? They always make sure American cars look good.

[JamesGames]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

I stopped watching as soon as he said I'm not turning traction control off all the way. How can you analyze a car when you don't have total control?

I recently drove a manual M2 at buttonwillow. The only great thing was how well it could turn in. Everything else felt like literally nothing. I've really wanted one but after driving it on track, it completely fell off the list. lol

What do you mean by everything else felt like literally nothing? i'm guessing lacks the S65s wonderful sound track / power band right?

How does the M2 compare to the F8X at the track for you if you've tried one? Curious from a track rat's POV

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by M3 Number 86

I recently drove a manual M2 at buttonwillow. The only great thing was how well it could turn in. Everything else felt like literally nothing. I've really wanted one but after driving it on track, it completely fell off the list. lol

I drove it at Thermal and was sold

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

[M3 Number 86]

Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

I drove it at Thermal and was sold

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Originally Posted by JamesGames

What do you mean by everything else felt like literally nothing? i'm guessing lacks the S65s wonderful sound track / power band right?

How does the M2 compare to the F8X at the track for you if you've tried one? Curious from a track rat's POV

For reference, my friend, the owner of the M2 who graciously let me take it out did a 1:54:8x at buttonwillow that same day in >100F so it's a pretty capable car overall. His car is equipped with JRZ, Akrapovic, BBS FI on pirelli scrubs and upgraded Alcon rotors. So I would say better suited for the track than stock for sure. I've done a 1:54.7x in my car at the same track.

I've never understood what people meant by numb steering until I drove the Fxx cars (M2/M4). The shifter felt misplaced and was very spongy. My other complaints could apply to turbo cars in general. The throttle control and power delivery were a bit strange. On upshifts there was a weird sensation of either boost cut or something done electronically to maybe deliver torque linearly? Does that make sense? I can't really explain it other than the fact that it wasn't, full power on full throttle. It didn't feel natural. It shouldn't feel different on upshifts at redline whether it's a turbo or not, right? There was some power dampening going on of some sorts. It was at this point I realized this car is probably better suited with DCT, which I've driven at Thermal (lucky for me it was pouring that day so there was all kinds of slides and yelling at my ear through the walkie talkie ). I was surprised that a DCT car would feel better than a manual car, not in terms of speed and ease of driving, but for the feeeeelz.

Handling, speed, and braking power is awesome. Overall a very very capable car. I just didn't like the feels - gimmicky power delivery, mushy shifter, mushy throttle, etc for me as the driver.

I guess you really can't stop the modernization of cars whether we like it or not. Even my e90 felt more connected even though it definitely not known to be a "connected to the driver" car already. It has to be capable as well as comfortable for those who aren't ever going to push it to the limits so there's nothing we could do there really.

I also drove the M4 that day and the power delivery was a bit better, felt natural, etc. But the pedal just seemed so mushy (not the pedal itself but the reaction of the car). I turned in for a 90 degree turn and it did a uturn on me! LOL. Far better turn in than e90 but again, it was just the feels I didn't like.

I also drove a Z4MC and dang, that thing felt so good. I guess I'm getting old?