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      06-26-2016, 09:31 PM   #23
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BMW of Santa Barbara salesman (who sold me my M3) told me they would charge "5 to 10k" markup.
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This list is getting huge, original post updated.
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maybe its just me but i dont get why people are so turned off by dealers that will add a ADM. if i have something no one else has, shouldnt i be able to price it how i see fit? if a company owns something shouldn't they be able to establish the sales price? its not unethical or "naughty"...its not even bad business. its actually the practice of real market value.

Why would a buyer feel they deserve the right to buy a car from a dealer, at a price lower than someone else is currently willing to pay
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maybe its just me but i dont get why people are so turned off by dealers that will add a ADM. if i have something no one else has, shouldnt i be able to price it how i see fit? if a company owns something shouldn't they be able to establish the sales price? its not unethical or "naughty"...its not even bad business. its actually the practice of real market value.

Why would a buyer feel they deserve the right to buy a car from a dealer, at a price lower than someone else is currently willing to pay
I think people have a issue with the business practices that come with it. Having a waiting list but not following it. Changing the verbally agreed to price after the fact. Listing cars online at MSRP so people call just to tell them its thats price plus 10k.

If I dealer is going to make as much as possible on a car why would you think you would ever get a good deal from that dealer on anything else?
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      06-27-2016, 01:18 PM   #29
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Do we have a list of dealers asking over MSRP for M2's right now so people looking can avoid messing with these dealers? I don't personally care if dealers want to make more money I just don't want to waste my time talking to them because I'm not willing to pay over MSRP and I know many here aren't either.

I'll start if we don't already have one:

Circle BMW- 10K over, they said they sold their first two cars for 10K over and have a configurable 111 status allocation now for 10K over.
BMW of Dallas- sold their HEA car for 8-10K over
Patrick BMW- told me they would take my 5K deposit then admitted I may not even get a car. I asked why they take deposits in that case and their reply was "because some people have hope they will get a car" WTF
BMW of Bellevue in Bellevue, Washington.
Palm Springs BMW
Center BMW - Sherman Oaks, Ca - Sold at $10k over.
Century West - North Hollywood Ca - Asked for $50k over! Sold somewhere between $10-20k (actual unconfirmed)
Santa Monica BMW - Currently asking $20k over but said they would take "a little" less
Pacific BMW listed over 10k
BMW of El Cajon (San Diego) sold for $20K over.
BMW of coconut creek, FL is doing $15k over MSRP
New Century BMW (Alhambra, CA) recently sold $10k over
Rusnak BMW, Westlake Village, CA- 82K asking
Sterling BMW of Newport Beach
BMW of Encinitas
Shelly BMW Buena Park
BMW of Escondido

BMW of Santa Barbara- over sticker
BMW VW of Topeka KS- 5 - 7k above MSRP.
Honda BMW Champaign Illinois- 5K markup
Sucks to live in CA
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      06-27-2016, 01:46 PM   #30
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Sucks to live in CA
This list is pretty far down the list for reasons it sucks to live in CA but yes.
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      06-27-2016, 01:47 PM   #31
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maybe its just me but i dont get why people are so turned off by dealers that will add a ADM. if i have something no one else has, shouldnt i be able to price it how i see fit? if a company owns something shouldn't they be able to establish the sales price? its not unethical or "naughty"...its not even bad business. its actually the practice of real market value.

Why would a buyer feel they deserve the right to buy a car from a dealer, at a price lower than someone else is currently willing to pay
I don't care if dealers want to charge ADM but I'm not willing to pay it and if they waste my time then it's annoying. If other people want to pay 20K over that's their business. I made this list so people can check it quickly and see if a dealer they are potentially interested in contacting is charging over.
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      06-27-2016, 03:43 PM   #32
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I think people have a issue with the business practices that come with it. Having a waiting list but not following it. Changing the verbally agreed to price after the fact. Listing cars online at MSRP so people call just to tell them its thats price plus 10k.

If I dealer is going to make as much as possible on a car why would you think you would ever get a good deal from that dealer on anything else?
Just FYI, cars listed on car.com and autotrader are many times auto listed via software. so the minute the dealer gets an inventory update it is auto listed at the msrp on the site even if its previously spoken for. dealers arent manually listing cars for the most part. i think the deception aspect is pretty rare and the buyer would be just as much to blame as the dealer because getting it in writing is 100% best practice, i wouldnt ever rely on a verbal agreement. wouldnt it make more sense to have a list of dealers selling at msrp? Every dealer listed here is eventually going to sell at or below msrp...its just supply and demand, every new hot car goes through this. plenty of people willing to pay a premium to get things first.

i'm with the majority as well, i wouldnt pay a markup. its greedy, but it is their right, just like its our right to pass on buying.
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Just FYI, cars listed on car.com and autotrader are many times auto listed via software. so the minute the dealer gets an inventory update it is auto listed at the msrp on the site even if its previously spoken for. dealers arent manually listing cars for the most part. i think the deception aspect is pretty rare and the buyer would be just as much to blame as the dealer because getting it in writing is 100% best practice, i wouldnt ever rely on a verbal agreement. wouldnt it make more sense to have a list of dealers selling at msrp? Every dealer listed here is eventually going to sell at or below msrp...its just supply and demand, every new hot car goes through this. plenty of people willing to pay a premium to get things first.

i'm with the majority as well, i wouldnt pay a markup. its greedy, but it is their right, just like its our right to pass on buying.
I don't know how rare the deception is but I don't believe it's uncommon.

You getting your deal in writing doesnt force them to stick to their list they can just keep pushing you down the list

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      06-27-2016, 07:10 PM   #34
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FWIW I bought Patrick BMWs HEA car for $500 below sticker and then got the $1500 fleet discount. So paid 2k below MSRP. Not sure they belong on your bad guy list for this reason.
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      06-28-2016, 10:54 AM   #35
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      06-28-2016, 11:40 AM   #36
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FWIW I bought Patrick BMWs HEA car for $500 below sticker and then got the $1500 fleet discount. So paid 2k below MSRP. Not sure they belong on your bad guy list for this reason.
They weren't on the list for charging over sticker, they were on the list for admitting they were taking deposits on cars that they will never deliver.
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      06-28-2016, 11:45 AM   #37
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They weren't on the list for charging over sticker, they were on the list for admitting they were taking deposits on cars that they will never deliver.
Damn, that's dirty.
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      06-28-2016, 01:07 PM   #38
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I was just informed that Century West BMW (already on the list) just sold their showroom car for $25k over and the next one will be no less than $20k over retail. At least it's coming down lol...

Just spoke with a rep from Pacific BMW who said they're asking for $5k over.

The trend seems like the initial rush demand is coming down along with the markups. Good signs.
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      06-29-2016, 07:32 AM   #39
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Make sure that none of these higher than MSRP cars also have performance parts installed.
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All, I have posted my experiences with Rusnak on the forums before but I will reiterate that they are to be avoided when it comes to M cars. They treat M3s as though they are a GT3RS. Even once they drop the price of their M2s in the future, be careful as they will bump up rates above the base rates and will do very shady math that they are not willing to let you take home a deal sheet. They straight up made up a down payment amount I didn't agree to and then presented it as an amount off of MSRP on an M3. I wrote all of the numbers down and realized they were being unethical in their presentation. I returned when another associate assured me it was some sort of mistake just to come back and be offered an even worse deal. I wish there was something I could do to report them as them lying like this blatantly was a huge waste of time.
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      06-30-2016, 07:50 PM   #42
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+ Carbon Fiber Accessories $4995

+ Market Adjustment $5000

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My dealership is only charging me MSRP but is forcing me to buy a few accessories that I'm not sure I would otherwise buy, the most expensive of which is the M Performance Exhaust and the carbon fiber exhaust tips which, combined, add $4,500 to the MSRP. At least I'm getting something for the extra money though.
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Sterling BMW in Newport Beach has a white M2, DCT with a $10,000 markup. I went to check it out in person last Saturday.
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