[Dav3]

Originally Posted by DivideBYZero

E36 M3 S50 ->S50 B32
E36/7 Z3M S50 -> S54

It's happened. It can happen again.

Interesting

"1994-1995 E36 M3 are powered by a 3.0L tuned version of the M50 which produces 179 kW (240 hp)"

"In 1996, the 3,201 cc (195 cu in) S50B32 replaced the S50B30 (..) This engine produces 236 kW (316 hp)"

From a tuned engine to a different one... So BMW has indeed upgraded a car engine from a tuned version to a more powerful one over the course of 1-2 years. Considered that the M2 is supposed to be the modern day E36, BMW is definitely following a past trend here. S55 is the proof of this. However, whether they will upgrade the N55 is the real million dollar question...

On a side note, the original Z3M engine setup lasted 3/4 years before it got changed so it's not really comparable to M2's current situation.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by davgia

Interesting

"1994-1995 E36 M3 are powered by a 3.0L tuned version of the M50 which produces 179 kW (240 hp)"

"In 1996, the 3,201 cc (195 cu in) S50B32 replaced the S50B30 (..) This engine produces 236 kW (316 hp)"

From a tuned engine to a different one... So BMW has indeed upgraded a car engine from a tuned version to a more powerful one over the course of 1-2 years. Considered that the M2 is supposed to be the modern day E36, BMW is definitely following a past trend here. S55 is the proof of this. However, whether they will upgrade the N55 is the real million dollar question...

On a side note, the original Z3M engine setup lasted 3/4 years before it got changed so it's not really comparable to M2's current situation.

Z3 M with the S50/S52 was made from 1998 to 2000 (3 model years) (Euro versions got S50 B32 and US got S52 B32)
Z3 M with the S54 was made in 2001 and 2002 (2 model years) (all versions got the S54 B32)

M2 with N55 will be made from 2016 to 2018 ? (3 model years)
M2 with ??? will be made from 2019? to 2020 ? (2 model years)

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Z3 M with the S52 was made from 1998 to 2000 (3 model years)
Z3 M with the S54 was made in 2001 and 2002 (2 model years)

M2 with N55 will be made from 2016 to 2018 ? (3 model years)

Production and sale on market for MY2018 is actually in July 2017

And (Correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't the M2 released in spring 2016?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by davgia

Production and sale on market for MY2018 is actually in July 2017

And (Correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't the M2 released in spring 2016?

Correct.. the M2 was released in April 2016... and it began with Model year 2016. only around 750 were made.
2017 models began shipping last summer.. and will continue until this spring.,
So.. if model year 2018 comes out this summer.. ..the new motor is next year... not this year right?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by DivideBYZero

E36 M3 S50 ->S50 B32
E36/7 Z3M S50 -> S54

It's happened. It can happen again.

it wasn't really called an LCI back then of course.. but yes.. in the US.. the 1995 M3 was the 3.0 liter S50B30US with Bosch Motronic and OBD-1 and then for the 1996-99 models BMW switched to Siemens Motronic and the larger displacement 3.2L S52B32US which was OBD-II.

From Wikipedia

OBD-II standardization was prompted to simplify diagnosis of increasingly complicated emissions equipment, and though only emission-related codes and data are required to be transmitted through it according to U.S. legislation, most manufacturers have made the OBD-II Data Link Connector the main connector in the vehicle through which all systems are diagnosed and reprogrammed


The E36 M3 in the US was produced for an exceptionally long time due to this change... I don't recall exactly but I do believe all 1996 model year vehicles in the US were required to be OBD-II.

[ClothSeats]

Side note I drove a Z3 M Coupe last week and it was so much fun. They don't make cars like that any more.

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Correct.. the M2 was released in April 2016... and it began with Model year 2016. only around 750 were made.
2017 models began shipping last summer.. and will continue until this spring.,
So.. if model year 2018 comes out this summer.. ..the new motor is next year... not this year right?

The LCI should be due this year.

MY2018 = Around Summer the previous year

If BMW decides to change engine it will most likely be with its LCI which is put on the market around July this year.

There's also the M2 CS version with supposedly a detuned version of the s55 (m3/m4) engine coming in MY2019 (Summer 2018)

[DarkstarZero]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

it wasn't really called an LCI back then of course.. but yes.. in the US.. the 1995 M3 was the 3.0 liter S50B30US with Bosch Motronic and OBD-1 and then for the 1996-99 models BMW switched to Siemens Motronic and the larger displacement 3.2L S52B32US which was OBD-II.

From Wikipedia

OBD-II standardization was prompted to simplify diagnosis of increasingly complicated emissions equipment, and though only emission-related codes and data are required to be transmitted through it according to U.S. legislation, most manufacturers have made the OBD-II Data Link Connector the main connector in the vehicle through which all systems are diagnosed and reprogrammed


The E36 M3 in the US was produced for an exceptionally long time due to this change... I don't recall exactly but I do believe all 1996 model year vehicles in the US were required to be OBD-II.

This ^^. The e36 M3 went from the S50 to the S52 in the US because of federal emissions requirements for 1996 - the engine gained .2 liters, produced the same power, had a slightly better torque curve, but could produce less total power without a OBDI conversion - meaning the 1995 S50 was better for those looking to get euro-levels of power out of their US spec M3.

The only real instance of BMW ever changing engines in a M car mid cycle was the z3 - going from the S52 to S54 which was a huge change in every possible way.

It's never happened since and it's not going to happen here. But if it did, I'll be in line to buy it Those S54 Z3s are awesome and they're going for more used than they were new.

[DivideBYZero]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

it wasn't really called an LCI back then of course.. but yes.. in the US.. the 1995 M3 was the 3.0 liter S50B30US with Bosch Motronic and OBD-1 and then for the 1996-99 models BMW switched to Siemens Motronic and the larger displacement 3.2L S52B32US which was OBD-II.

From Wikipedia

OBD-II standardization was prompted to simplify diagnosis of increasingly complicated emissions equipment, and though only emission-related codes and data are required to be transmitted through it according to U.S. legislation, most manufacturers have made the OBD-II Data Link Connector the main connector in the vehicle through which all systems are diagnosed and reprogrammed


The E36 M3 in the US was produced for an exceptionally long time due to this change... I don't recall exactly but I do believe all 1996 model year vehicles in the US were required to be OBD-II.

I always quote Euro engines. I'm in that market.

My brother in law just sold his (real) E36 M3 3.0 (286hp) for an Alfa... That was a disappointment to say the least.

[Corinne]

Originally Posted by davgia

Production and sale on market for MY2018 is actually in July 2017

And (Correct me if I'm wrong) wasn't the M2 released in spring 2016?

I'm just wondering... previous arguments have supported the view that LCI cars are manufactured in september, after the august holidays during which re-tooling takes place. Which would mean availability for delivery presumably late september. Or have I got that wrong ? How quickly have LCI'd cars actually been delivered in the past ? The question is critical for me because my dealer is quoting a vague "june delivery" to me, although he still hasn't heard anything concrete.

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by Corinne

I'm just wondering... previous arguments have supported the view that LCI cars are manufactured in september, after the august holidays during which re-tooling takes place. Which would mean availability for delivery presumably late september. Or have I got that wrong ? How quickly have LCI'd cars actually been delivered in the past ? The question is critical for me because my dealer is quoting a vague "june delivery" to me, although he still hasn't heard anything concrete.

As a real life example I can use the M240i I currently own.

The specific model is listed as a 2017 model yet it was delivered in late July 2016.

At least from what I've been told it takes 60 days from payment for the car to be delivered, so I'm guessing that's the average build time unless certain aspects of assembly have already been dealt with.

[Corinne]

Originally Posted by davgia

As a real life example I can use the M240i I currently own.

The specific model is listed as a 2017 model yet it was delivered in late July 2016.

At least from what I've been told it takes 60 days from payment for the car to be delivered, so I'm guessing that's the average build time unless certain aspects of assembly have already been dealt with.

My question was more to do with at what date can we expect the LCI cars to be delivered ? I'd love to have my M2 in time for at least half the summer !

[Benef1cient]

Originally Posted by Corinne

My question was more to do with at what date can we expect the LCI cars to be delivered ? I'd love to have my M2 in time for at least half the summer !

My dealer told me that I can get mine in late July (August for you guys in the US then?), but this is just his assumption probably. He is sure that LCI is coming but doesn't know when the switch is going to happen.
But that's dealer talk so...

[bimmer4life24]

Originally Posted by Benef1cient

My dealer told me that I can get mine in late July (August for you guys in the US then?), but this is just his assumption probably. He is sure that LCI is coming but doesn't know when the switch is going to happen.
But that's dealer talk so...

Originally Posted by Corinne

My question was more to do with at what date can we expect the LCI cars to be delivered ? I'd love to have my M2 in time for at least half the summer !

I believe it has been posted here that production for the LCI begins July/August 2017; so about 6-8 weeks after that for delivery.

[ryem3]

Originally Posted by bimmer4life24

I believe it has been posted here that production for the LCI begins July/August 2017; so about 6-8 weeks after that for delivery.

Correct. What hasn't been factored in is that the factory will be closed at some point during the summer. I believe in August and I believe for 4 weeks. Someone with details can chime in, however that would add 4 weeks to those delivery dates. I wouldn't want to wait for an lci and finally get it in the winter, unable to drive it.

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by ryem3

Correct. What hasn't been factored in is that the factory will be closed at some point during the summer. I believe in August and I believe for 4 weeks. Someone with details can chime in, however that would add 4 weeks to those delivery dates. I wouldn't want to wait for an lci and finally get it in the winter, unable to drive it.

Well, you would get your car stateside in September-October for a July 2017 build, or November-December+ for a late August or September build, depending on when and for how long the factory is closed.

[ryem3]

Exactly. Unfortunate part of living in the northeast. Not too fun getting a car and parking it for 4 months.

[kiysersosae]

I'm trading my M2 in and going back on the waiting list. I have the MY April 2016 LLB DCT with full MPE (less suspension) and as much as I love it, I want a manual and I want a newer one. The pre First batch of M2s until MY17 are going to be less wanted so I managed o get a great deal on a brand new M2 with estimated shipping date of October 17 and LCI. I will only go with the MPE exhaust and grill this time as I'm getting mineral grey. I have also spec hthis one as light as I could compared to my old M2

Harmon Kardon (same as before) I like my music
Manual seats - lumbar support only (probably a 15kg saving)
Bluetooth phone prep (same)
Manual (30kg saving)
No reverse camera ( 2kg)
Sun protection and exterior folding mirrors (same)

That's it really, nice and simple drivers car....

[chmura]

So is this what the M2 LCI headlights will look like??

Picture below is the LCI M240i spy shots.

[Nine Lives]

Originally Posted by kiysersosae

I'm trading my M2 in and going back on the waiting list. I have the MY April 2016 LLB DCT with full MPE (less suspension) and as much as I love it, I want a manual and I want a newer one. The pre First batch of M2s until MY17 are going to be less wanted so I managed o get a great deal on a brand new M2 with estimated shipping date of October 17 and LCI. I will only go with the MPE exhaust and grill this time as I'm getting mineral grey. I have also spec hthis one as light as I could compared to my old M2

Harmon Kardon (same as before) I like my music
Manual seats - lumbar support only (probably a 15kg saving)
Bluetooth phone prep (same)
Manual (30kg saving)
No reverse camera ( 2kg)
Sun protection and exterior folding mirrors (same)

That's it really, nice and simple drivers car....

That's quite a commitment when you've already been down that road...

Must be love

[NO_USER_]

Originally Posted by kiysersosae

I'm trading my M2 in and going back on the waiting list. I have the MY April 2016 LLB DCT with full MPE (less suspension) and as much as I love it, I want a manual and I want a newer one. The pre First batch of M2s until MY17 are going to be less wanted so I managed o get a great deal on a brand new M2 with estimated shipping date of October 17 and LCI. I will only go with the MPE exhaust and grill this time as I'm getting mineral grey. I have also spec hthis one as light as I could compared to my old M2

Harmon Kardon (same as before) I like my music
Manual seats - lumbar support only (probably a 15kg saving)
Bluetooth phone prep (same)
Manual (30kg saving)
No reverse camera ( 2kg)
Sun protection and exterior folding mirrors (same)

That's it really, nice and simple drivers car....

How do you choose all of those options/remove those features? I didn't know you can order the car that way..for example manual seats instead of power?

[DivideBYZero]

Originally Posted by Mbavar2

How do you choose all of those options/remove those features? I didn't know you can order the car that way..for example manual seats instead of power?

No compulsory packages in the UK. You can build a (relatively) stripped out car if you want it that way.