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      07-23-2015, 09:24 AM   #23
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I honestly think some of that is by design - this is how lots of "interest" for the car is drummed up.

I wonder how much additional ad revenue has been scored by the constant checking of M2 news on this particular site - I bet it's substantial.
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What if instead of the 3.0 CSL concept, they actual show off the Vision GT in physical form? The rumors of whatever concept showing going into possible production could line up with an M2 CSL = Vision GT concept.
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What if instead of the 3.0 CSL concept, they actual show off the Vision GT in physical form? The rumors of whatever concept showing going into possible production could line up with an M2 CSL = Vision GT concept.
This might happen. Scott alludes to it in this post.

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=65

I'm not sure how they will go from the CSL concept to that, since it's just supposed to be an updated version of the concept, but we shall see.
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What if instead of the 3.0 CSL concept, they actual show off the Vision GT in physical form? The rumors of whatever concept showing going into possible production could line up with an M2 CSL = Vision GT concept.
That would rock!
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All this secrecy is so lame. Get over it, BMW! It's just your entry level M!
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      07-23-2015, 10:27 PM   #28
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All this secrecy is so lame. Get over it, BMW! It's just your entry level M!
Agreed. I just wonder how much thought BMW is really putting into the marketing of the 2?
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      07-25-2015, 03:44 PM   #29
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The question is: What will the new version of the 3.0 CSL Hommage be?

Of course, it could just be just a slightly tweaked version of the existing concept car they showed at Villa d'Este.

But it could also be a completely new evolution of that concept car, with stronger hints towards the production M2 CSL (or whatever it will be called).

Scott mentions the Vision GT6 and the E9 a lot in the context of the M2, so my guess is:
- The standard M2 will get the toned-down Vision GT6 look without the rear spoiler, rear intakes, etc.
- The M2 CSL could be closer to the concept cars, including the integrated rear spoiler as seen on the Vision GT6 as well as the existing 3.0 CSL Hommage


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All this secrecy is so lame. Get over it, BMW! It's just your entry level M!
I agree that it's lame, but looking at these forums, it's undeniable that it works.

Besides that, I think that the M2 will be a very important car for BMW in many ways.

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All this secrecy is so lame. Get over it, BMW! It's just your entry level M!
Lame? Why on earth should they show the car before it is ready? No manufacturer of ANYTHING does that.
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      07-26-2015, 09:47 AM   #32
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Lame? Why on earth should they show the car before it is ready? No manufacturer of ANYTHING does that.
Of course not, but it would be great to have at least a few teasers at this point.
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The question is: What will the new version of the 3.0 CSL Hommage be?
Of course, it could just be just a slightly tweaked version of the existing concept car they showed at Villa d'Este.
But it could also be a completely new evolution of that concept car, with stronger hints towards the production M2 CSL (or whatever it will be called).
Scott mentions the Vision GT6 and the E9 a lot in the context of the M2, so my guess is:
- The standard M2 will get the toned-down Vision GT6 look without the rear spoiler, rear intakes, etc.
- The M2 CSL could be closer to the concept cars, including the integrated rear spoiler as seen on the Vision GT6 as well as the existing 3.0 CSL Hommage
I agree that it's lame, but looking at these forums, it's undeniable that it works.
Besides that, I think that the M2 will be a very important car for BMW in many ways.
With regard to an alternative M2 (likely getting the "M2 CSL" moniker), he already hinted in the past towards the E9 'Batmobile' philosophy: a Spartan, brutal track animal. I'm not suggesting that this will be the car on display at Pebble Beach, but we might see that alternative M2 someday in the (near) future. Maybe next year at the occasion of the BMW centennial celebrations (rumor has it that two CSL concept models will be presented in 2016) ?
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It looks as if they are investigating a more hardcore M2 having seen one at a test track, mixing aerodynamics of the Vision GT and the Racing but identifiable as the M2 but far more muscular and brutal than the standard M2. It could be for racing purpose showcase but I like to think of it as a potential rival to the Porsche Cayman GT4 and the first modern BMW "Batmobile" since the E9.
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And - to some extent - back in 2013:
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Will it [the M235i Racing] influence the M2?
It's possible because there are key elements such as the oval central intake and three dimensional aerodynamics in the other intakes. Some of the initial M2 features in early design sketches use that theme of the original M3 the E30 in its widened arches but also invokes historic BMW E9 in its modern "Batmobile" extravagance which really accentuates the standard 2er rear wheel arch in how it widens to cover the rear wheels.
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The only common theme here is that you guys take what "Scott" says way too damn seriously. What he says IMO should never be used as the gospel. What we'll see at Pebble Beach and beyond might be completely different than what we've read on here.

How many times have we been burnt on this forum before some of you guys will realize that? Personally, I'm still super skeptic about this whole M2 CSL/GTS deal.

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      07-26-2015, 10:45 AM   #35
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The only common theme here is that you guys take what "Scott" says way too damn seriously. What he says IMO should never be used as the gospel.
Maybe in terms of the CSL, since we know nothing about it except that "something" will come in 2016 - as hinted by BMW themselves, not just Scott26. That might be an M2 CSL, but it could also be something completely different.

Regarding the normal M2, what can be seen on the test mules so far is in line with the posts we've seen from Scott26: Heavily influenced by the Vision GT6 concept design-wise, but with the insanity turned down quite a few notches.

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Personally, I'm still super skeptic about this whole M2 CSL/GTS deal.
Nothing wrong with that. I think it's fun speculating and trying to connect the dots, but I'm not as invested in this car as some here seem to be. I think the Idea of an M2 CSL is interesting, but after all, I just want my "normal" M2 (which I expect to be "just" a continuation of the 1M formula and not some some sort of magic, M4-beating unicorn).
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Maybe in terms of the CSL, since we know nothing about it except that "something" will come in 2016 - as hinted by BMW themselves, not just Scott26. That might be an M2 CSL, but it could also be something completely different.

Regarding the normal M2, what can be seen on the test mules so far is in line with the posts we've seen from Scott26: Heavily influenced by the Vision GT6 concept design-wise, but with the insanity turned down quite a few notches.


Nothing wrong with that. I think it's fun speculating and trying to connect the dots, but I'm not as invested in this car as some here seem to be. I think the Idea of an M2 CSL is interesting, but after all, I just want my "normal" M2 (which I expect to be "just" a continuation of the 1M formula and not some some sort of magic, M4-beating unicorn).
I don't even think we know that to be honest. That 100 year celebration car could well be an i8s or something, instead of an M2 CSL. There's absolutely no way of knowing. Until we see what is unveiled at Pebble Beach in a couple of weeks, we're completely in the dark IMO.

But I'm honestly more interested in the "base" M2 just like you. If there is going to be an M2 CSL, it'll be expensive and there's a good chance it won't be offered with 6MT (like the E46 and E92). That would be a deal breaker for me.
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The only common theme here is that you guys take what "Scott" says way too damn seriously. What he says IMO should never be used as the gospel. What we'll see at Pebble Beach and beyond might be completely different than what we've read on here.

How many times have we been burnt on this forum before some of you guys will realize that? Personally, I'm still super skeptic about this whole M2 CSL/GTS deal.

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I don't even think we know that to be honest. That 100 year celebration car could well be an i8s or something, instead of an M2 CSL. There's absolutely no way of knowing. Until we see what is unveiled at Pebble Beach in a couple of weeks, we're completely in the dark IMO.
Might be. The strongest hint so far are Adrian van Hooydonk's references to the E30 M3 with regards to what's coming next year – but since we don't really have the full interview, it's hard to know if that's really what he was hinting at.

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But I'm honestly more interested in the "base" M2 just like you. If there is going to be an M2 CSL, it'll be expensive and there's a good chance it won't be offered with 6MT (like the E46 and E92). That would be a deal breaker for me.
I'd have the M2 with a 6MT as well – it just feels more connected to the car and I have no reasons for having an automatic at this point. The 6MT might be slower on the track, but for me, this car would be a daily driver and lap times don't matter at all in that scenario.

That said, since this will be a daily driver for me, I also want some basic level of comfort (an opinion that might be a bit unpopular in this subforum). A completely stripped-down car is great for having a go on the 'ring, but it's just not that great for doing 300 mile business trips or commuting 75 miles every day.

That (as well as the issue of price) would likely make the "standard" M2 a much better fit for me, but that doesn't mean I don't want a CSL to exist. It just wouldn't be a big deal for me if it won't.
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That said, since this will be a daily driver for me, I also want some basic level of comfort (an opinion that might be a bit unpopular in this subforum). A completely stripped-down car is great for having a go on the 'ring, but it's just not that great for doing 300 mile business trips or commuting 75 miles every day.
I have said this many times, but if the base M2 doesn't have a basic level of comfort, then what is the point of the car? It is not track focused enough to be a pure track car.

That is the whole point of ///M IMO. Fantastic chassis with a day to day usable package.
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I have said this many times, but if the base M2 doesn't have a basic level of comfort, then what is the point of the car? It is not track focused enough to be a pure track car.

That is the whole point of ///M IMO. Fantastic chassis with a day to day usable package.
When you mean levels of comfort, are you talking about the options or are you talking about the ride? The options should be more or less the same as a regular 2er, while I expect it to have the comfort in the same area as a 1M or F80.
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When you mean levels of comfort, are you talking about the options or are you talking about the ride? The options should be more or less the same as a regular 2er, while I expect it to have the comfort in the same area as a 1M or F80.
For me: Options like the regular 2er and ride comfort similar to the M4 would be perfectly fine (I haven't driven a 1M yet, so I can't draw any comparisons here).
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When you mean levels of comfort, are you talking about the options or are you talking about the ride? The options should be more or less the same as a regular 2er, while I expect it to have the comfort in the same area as a 1M or F80.
I still think the overall interior options will be limited as well...

DCT
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Tech package w/M modes

Probably not much else...
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I still think the overall interior options will be limited as well...

DCT
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Probably not much else...
On top of that, I still expect HK, driver assistance pack, and some kind of premium/exec pack to be optional.

None of which I'm interested in
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For me: Options like the regular 2er and ride comfort similar to the M4 would be perfectly fine (I haven't driven a 1M yet, so I can't draw any comparisons here).
For me I would be happy if they just offer one suspension option that is firm and sporty for the M2.i drove the new M3 with the adaptive suspension and preferred it set to the sport plus setting,which was the firmest suspension set up.I don't need any comfort settings for the suspension in the M2.
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