[JunkStory]

very interesting considering the strenght of the USD compared to EUR

[NV GUNS]

Originally Posted by 135iUSN

X5M 100k base. Wow. CPO never sounded so good!!

CPO is the way to go, over 60% of sales is CPO since everyone leases. depreciation is crazy. noting like picking up a 2014 550ix with 29k on it that was built on 10/13 with a price tag of over 75, and getting it in the summer of 16 for 47, love CPO!

[BimmerMat135]

As for the past many years BMW is producing value for shareholders not customers. Not always the best idea.

[epiphone3]

Originally Posted by Fe9L

I currently own 5 BMWs, and been a long time supporter...

But seeing for example what an A4 offers in comparison to the 3er at the same price point... I cant see BMW sustaining their sales for long... And now they're hiking the prices!!! (I dont know anything about C classes to mention as a rival in the point I am trying to make)

Am I the only one getting turned off by that and seeing a downward trend in BMW?

And more importantly, has anyone switched brands solely based on what options/packages other competitors offer for less money?!

I have been a BMW fan since I was 2 years old. You're not the only one feeling this way. When I look at the new GLC or the new Q5, they put the X3 to shame in terms of interior quality. This is the first time I have felt myself realistically looking at the other German makes and thinking that I could go that way in the future - BMW is losing touch with reality and the other makes seem to be upping their game without upping their prices as much.

[BarlasaM]

Originally Posted by epiphone3

I have been a BMW fan since I was 2 years old. You're not the only one feeling this way. When I look at the new GLC or the new Q5, they put the X3 to shame in terms of interior quality. This is the first time I have felt myself realistically looking at the other German makes and thinking that I could go that way in the future - BMW is losing touch with reality and the other makes seem to be upping their game without upping their prices as much.

I am sorry. But that's an unfair comparison. Both the GLC and Q5 are new. X3 on the other had is 7 years old. let's wait till fall to see how the new one competes. Same goes for the A4 vs 3 series.

[KSERGEI-BY]

Originally Posted by BarlasaM

I am sorry. But that's an unfair comparison. Both the GLC and Q5 are new. X3 on the other had is 7 years old. let's wait till fall to see how the new one competes. Same goes for the A4 vs 3 series.

But the new offering is tend to be more expensive. So probably the gap between q5 and new x3 will be even wider.

[BarlasaM]

Originally Posted by KSERGEI-BY

But the new offering is tend to be more expensive. So probably the gap between q5 and new x3 will be even wider.

That is correct. Just like currently in the US the Q5 is more expensive then the X3, even after the price hike on Apr 1st, it's more expensive. Price of course is important. But what what you are getting for that price even more so. I think BMW is learning that, and it shows in the new models come out. We'll just have to wait to see if this trend continues for the rest of the models coming out.

[NickyC]

Overpriced cars get more overpriced. No problem, just keep the 8 year car loans coming and roll that debt over from buying the prior overpriced car you couldn't afford which is now upside down. 'MURICA!

[fbsm]

There are both explanations and upside's to a small price increase

As far as explanations go.....interest rates ARE going up (finally) and this will impact supply chain for all manufacturers

As far as upside to this goes.....its possible that BMW will consider offering some lower/mid priced cars in their line in a more spartan base model and offer more as upgrade/options......

I wont hold my breath but it sure would be nice to see BMW bring some of their lower priced 1 series models to the US.....A few of us were talking hot hatches recently and after being in my B58 equipped 2 series all of them would purchase a hatch version in a second as a DD

[johntomferg]

It is too bad.....given the "belief" that the USD is up against the EUR over the last 5 years. http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?fr...to=EUR&view=5Y

[Fe9L]

Originally Posted by BarlasaM

I am sorry. But that's an unfair comparison. Both the GLC and Q5 are new. X3 on the other had is 7 years old. let's wait till fall to see how the new one competes. Same goes for the A4 vs 3 series.

I appreciate your comments. However your point regarding the A4 vs 3er goes exactly to what I am saying, although A4 is updated (inside and out), this should be a justification for Audi to increase their prices, but they're cheaper than BMWs.

Secondly, BMW is probably in the middle of the current 3 series life ... so for a buyer that wants something today or even in a year, they cannot wait until the new 3 comes out to draw another comparison, because by then, the A4 would have been "3 years old" and nearing its life cycle for that model...

And I dont know enough to comment on the Q5 and GLC, but what I can comment on is the closest 3 BMW dealerships to where i live (Toronto), all display X3 and X5 that are bone stock with no packages, which may turnoff many people.. Which I think is another mistake BMW dealers make...

/rant lol

[cncmastr]

Originally Posted by NickyC

Overpriced cars get more overpriced. No problem, just keep the 8 year car loans coming and roll that debt over from buying the prior overpriced car you couldn't afford which is now upside down. 'MURICA!

The prices aren't going up so much as the value of the USD is going down.

[BarlasaM]

Originally Posted by Fe9L

I appreciate your comments. However your point regarding the A4 vs 3er goes exactly to what I am saying, although A4 is updated (inside and out), this should be a justification for Audi to increase their prices, but they're cheaper than BMWs.

Secondly, BMW is probably in the middle of the current 3 series life ... so for a buyer that wants something today or even in a year, they cannot wait until the new 3 comes out to draw another comparison, because by then, the A4 would have been "3 years old" and nearing its life cycle for that model...

And I dont know enough to comment on the Q5 and GLC, but what I can comment on is the closest 3 BMW dealerships to where i live (Toronto), all display X3 and X5 that are bone stock with no packages, which may turnoff many people.. Which I think is another mistake BMW dealers make...

/rant lol

I understand where you are coming from. I don't know enough about pricing in Canada. But here in the the US. A4 has a higher base MSRP then the 3 Series. Also the current 3 series it towards the end of its cycle. The new 3er comes out next year.
I some what agree with you on dealers putting up bone stock cars for display... definitely a turn off for me.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by epiphone3

I have been a BMW fan since I was 2 years old. You're not the only one feeling this way. When I look at the new GLC or the new Q5, they put the X3 to shame in terms of interior quality. This is the first time I have felt myself realistically looking at the other German makes and thinking that I could go that way in the future - BMW is losing touch with reality and the other makes seem to be upping their game without upping their prices as much.

In the past there was always a justification to buy a Bimmer over the competition because the driving experience was just sublime to say the least.

Nowadays? BMW's driving dynamics have been watered down to the point that they feel identical to Audis and Mercs from behind the wheel. By chasing volume all brands have created essentially the same car. So what's going to keep me loyal to the BMW brand when others are finally making more flashy and better built interiors?

BMW corporate

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by NV GUNS

CPO is the way to go, over 60% of sales is CPO since everyone leases. depreciation is crazy. noting like picking up a 2014 550ix with 29k on it that was built on 10/13 with a price tag of over 75, and getting it in the summer of 16 for 47, love CPO!

Our X3 was $66K brand new in 2013, bought it last year with 25,000 miles for $42K.

That's nudging a $1 a mile.

[aerostar]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Our X3 was $66K brand new in 2013, bought it last year with 25,000 miles for $42K.

That's nudging a $1 a mile.

66k for a X3?

How the hell?

[DCPattie]

I'm noticing that BMW's "Ultimate Care+" is missing on all 2018 models per the bmwusa.com website (configurator). Does this mean wear-and-tear items (i.e., brake pads, wipers) are now included in the standard BMW Ultimate Care?

[BarlasaM]

Originally Posted by DCPattie

I'm noticing that BMW's "Ultimate Care+" is missing on all 2018 models per the bmwusa.com website (configurator). Does this mean wear-and-tear items (i.e., brake pads, wipers) are now included in the standard BMW Ultimate Care?

No Sir, it's the same as the 2017s. They just did a wonderful job re-designing the website. Visit the following link for more info.
http://www.bmwusaservice.com/ultimatecare

[Musashi]

Originally Posted by Fe9L

I currently own 5 BMWs, and been a long time supporter...

But seeing for example what an A4 offers in comparison to the 3er at the same price point... I cant see BMW sustaining their sales for long... And now they're hiking the prices!!! (I dont know anything about C classes to mention as a rival in the point I am trying to make)

Am I the only one getting turned off by that and seeing a downward trend in BMW?

And more importantly, has anyone switched brands solely based on what options/packages other competitors offer for less money?!

Perceived price increase does not tell all. From 2014, my M Perf equivalent went up 3% the G20 adds another 3.9% for an actyual 7-8% increase in 4 year. No, inflation has nothing to do with it. The legendary e46 V8 was 55k or some 75-70,000 USD today. Well, the top M3 is 100,000 today!

Another factor, in the latest 340i seen CRAPPY wheelsets, vs 19 or 20" M Perf. That is a good 2,000$ and 30lbs less unsprung weight they are no longer including, forcing a Ray's type purchase form Japan (5,000$) a no brainer. And 40-50lbs less weight than stock and stronger..

So it is not just price increase, but value dilution at the same time. Top 3 seires is not 78,000 USD and 90,000 CAD in Canada.

Why are they doing it? Last year spent 6 months in Europe, and ALL BMW Porsche etc were tens of thousands of Euro more expensive than Canadian or US offers. For example, top 3 M Perf was 30,000 USD more in Europe with conversion. So in Canada most BMW CLA S Class Porsches are a good 30% less, and in the US-- CLOSE TO 50% less!

Then 2015 came, a record sales years in North America. So BMW probably thought now that Toyota took a beating VAG Dieselgate took a beating, Honda crapped under and Hyundai is a lower class, maybe it is time to HIKE UP the price...

So 2018 YTD -40% 3/4 series sales. Why? WE ARE NOT EUROPEANS. In Europe free or cheap tuition, cheap everything, free and better healthcare, and higher median class income and wealth, disposable income. So BMW thinks that it can simply start 'squeezing' its fans or clients with better finance offers.

But then again the base 2011 328i (Gf bought hers for 34,000$ low mileage) was better tuned than my factory M Perf, which required sways and Dinan springs. Now, to get the top 3/4/5 series you need to spend 90/95/100,000$ easily. Or even more with the latest options.

So what do they do in Europe? A fleet of cars we paid for included CLAs and BMW. Massive rental options, they pay themselves, then they enter the second hand market. Not in North America. Yet.

Not only do I agree with you on sustainability, but I foresee collapsing sales. How many 70-100k $ financing cycles can upper middle class families sustain?

BMW offered me 10k Red Ticket VIP event, plus top residual value on my car. so 40-50K. But to commit to another one I add 80K to the prev 90 I spent (including winter wheelset, and a new Ray's to ditch the runcrap 20") so 170,000 in two 3 series -45k = 125k in 5th year of new 3 SERIES. Not 5 Not M not 911 Cayman. 3 SERIES. NO THANK YOU. The car is done, it runs fabulously, engine is great, Ray's are great (I think they are changing 5x120mm on the G20 anyway). I would have to be stupid to fall for their candid offers. We are now talking 911 Turbo S money here.. 911 GTS? New is 90,000 CAD MORE expensive in Europe than in Canada, and the delta is even more in the US..

[rainfall]

Good thing they aren't changing the price for the 2 series. Sales are tanking and will drop more if they increase base price