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      03-10-2017, 03:51 PM   #23
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So BMW takes 4 of the top 7 spots because of loaners? Don't almost all luxury manufacturers offer loaners?
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A big part of this is likely BMW's bid to keep/ retake the number one luxury spot.

So the dealers are forced to register to count as sold.....and then they get resold to customers as used.

Funny the games we play when you have numbers to hit.

I got a set of wheels for my 5 since the service manager had a number to hit in wheel and tire sets sold.

So they loaded up their fleet cars with fancy wheels and tires to meet the numbers and sold all the OEM original wheels and tires.

I got a set of 1 inch bigger wheels and some NICE tires for $400 with TPMS.
Agreed. And part of it is BMW game playing for "new car price support." BMW FS subsidizes its leases which effectively lowers list prices without publicly doing so. Selling loaners within a year of initial date of service also allows BMW to both inflate sales and then sell the cars as used, another method of price support.

Such are the games BMW plays. If you pay attention you can take advantage of those games.
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It's very common for lower end luxury cars to be bought/leased by somebody who doesn't really have the money and then traded back in quickly.
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Agreed. And part of it is BMW game playing for "new car price support." BMW FS subsidizes its leases which effectively lowers list prices without publicly doing so. Selling loaners within a year of initial date of service also allows BMW to both inflate sales and then sell the cars as used, another method of price support.

Such are the games BMW plays. If you pay attention you can take advantage of those games.
Correct me if I am wrong but BMW admitted to that scandal....cant recall the name of it but they also apparently STOPPED misrepresenting sales numbers using that strategy....apparently
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A significant amount of those numbers are swayed by retired service loaners that are sold. When a car is put into loaner fleet, it is registered to the dealership. When the dealership sells the car, the purchaser is actually shown on carfax as the 2nd owner. thus the results seen here.
If this were the case, then I'd expect the top car to a Chevy Cruze or Toyota Camry, Hyundai Elantra, which are the top 3 three rental cars in the US.
Didn't rental companies usually keep their fleet for a year or more?

BMW service fleet is rotated every 3-6 months.
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I find this story hard to believe. There are probably over a million one year old rental cars sold each year. And bmw tops those figures? No way.
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      03-12-2017, 04:11 PM   #29
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Moving on up?

I am sure that most of the reasons mentioned in the posts do touch on the reason the 3 series BMW is the most sold car in the first year of ownership.

Another reason might be that folks buy the base car, are so happy with the brand, that they move up to an M3 or go after options they missed for only a few buck more a month-(M3 a lot more bucks).

Also, some folks find that the cool 2.8i sedan worked when they were single, but now have a wife and family, and the X3/X4/x5 works better as a family car, and its a chance to go to the 3.5i, 4.0i, or 50e.

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I trade cars frequently because I just can't decide which i'd like to have. '15 M3 --> '16 M3 --> '16 Audi S3 + '16 Camaro SS --> '16 Camaro SS --> '17 Porsches 718 S --> currently: '17 Camaro SS 1LE, '16 Audi S3.

i'll say that unless you go from a really expensive car to a realllly cheap car, the "savings" you get isn't really worth it. so someone buying an M3, realizing they can't afford it and getting something 1/2 the price typically doesn't help out that much. I've seen my payments go all over the place. ultimately, i'm pretty happy with the cars I have now, but I do miss the M3 ... trying to hold out until the next gen is available though! the comp pkg is definitely tempting.
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I highly doubt these are ///M cars..
I thought that too until I joined this forum
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