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      05-04-2016, 09:04 AM   #67
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Sigh.. This is proof of why people think of us BMW owners as badge wh***s. It's a good thing not all of us share such views.

THIS. In fact the 1 and 2 series here in Dubai are on par, if not cheaper than a comparable Mustang, don't even have half the respect or road presence of a Mustang or Camaro on the streets, and owners are seen as "those that couldn't afford a real BMW". Is that true? Of course not! Stereotypes exist for every car. Haters gonna hate - I for one love both the GT350 and the M2 - in fact I think they'd make great stablemates!
Who cares if he only likes BMW and thinks mustangs are shit. He's not the only one. Chevy and Dodge fanboys also think Mustangs are shit. So what?

I don't love the GT350R. I love the performance but for me it's too big and I need back seats. And while being large on the outside, it(the 5.0) feels cramped on the inside. It seemed to have less front and back legroom, headroom than the M2. I admit I didn't spend a lot of time adjusting the seats so it might be better than my first impressions.
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American manufacturers are doing a great job on a lot of their new cars while BMW is more worried about marketing Gigi.
I don't know. I love the M2 and there is no other car I wanted over it. All cars have flaws but for me, the M2 is pretty damn perfect. The Mustang, no matter which one you get is too big for my taste.
Maybe but you can't deny that American manufacturers have stepped upto the plate. Also, American muscle has always been bigger than their European competition. Either way, I can't fit a mustang in my tiny garage.
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They are not where near 30k more than the m2.
Anyway, need to be clear. I was saying yes it is to the M3 vs camaro being spot on...I was agreeing with you. Lol
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Idk if it is just me... but if you went with a 350R.. at end of the day.. you are still in a Mustang. I get its a raw power hungry machine, but when I go out with friends or women, the BMW leaves a better lasting impression. It's more classy, elegant, and to the average non-car enthusiasts eye, it's "luxury".

Plus the Mustang scene is just god awful, I could never justify owning one having to deal with the people that come along with it.
lol and its a wrap. This is why BMW owners are considered pompous dbags.

I actually get far more looks and appreciation in my Mustang than any BMW I've had before. At half the cost.
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Idk if it is just me... but if you went with a 350R.. at end of the day.. you are still in a Mustang. I get its a raw power hungry machine, but when I go out with friends or women, the BMW leaves a better lasting impression. It's more classy, elegant, and to the average non-car enthusiasts eye, it's "luxury".

Plus the Mustang scene is just god awful, I could never justify owning one having to deal with the people that come along with it.
lol and its a wrap. This is why BMW owners are considered pompous dbags.

I actually get far more looks and appreciation in my Mustang than any BMW I've had before. At half the cost.
Jeez...
That same logic screens well the GTR is a Nissan, so it must be a shit box compared to.... Pick a name and I bet it beats that car in 95% of its features.

Btw - the one/two series is the eco car of Bmw, nothing to write home about.
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lol and its a wrap. This is why BMW owners are considered pompous dbags.

I actually get far more looks and appreciation in my Mustang than any BMW I've had before. At half the cost.
The pompous BMW dbags are the ones who swerve in and out of traffic cutting people off left and right...

I'm not hating on the Mustang, I'm just making the observation that BMW is luxury and Mustang is not. AND I'm aware the 2 series is one of the cheapest models I'm just making a point that the BMW brand gives off a more classy aurora to the average eye.

It's not necessarily my fault that the Mustang owners I've ran into at meets/shows are all stand-offish unless you drive a Mustang. Forgive me for sharing what I've experienced...
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Idk if it is just me... but if you went with a 350R.. at end of the day.. you are still in a Mustang. I get its a raw power hungry machine, but when I go out with friends or women, the BMW leaves a better lasting impression. It's more classy, elegant, and to the average non-car enthusiasts eye, it's "luxury".

Plus the Mustang scene is just god awful, I could never justify owning one having to deal with the people that come along with it.
lol and its a wrap. This is why BMW owners are considered pompous dbags.

I actually get far more looks and appreciation in my Mustang than any BMW I've had before. At half the cost.
Let's not get carried away here....
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Or you could have just said less rotational mass at the wheels, quicker car. I think that's what you were saying right?
Correct! I always find it amazing how people add all kinds of performance parts and then add heavy 19" or 20" wheels, not realizing what effect it has on the car. There is a reason why I have the Apex 17" wheels - only 16.5 lbs each. One of my friends had a Dodge Magnum and put 22" wheels on it. Looked great, but he noticed how much more sluggish the car was and he sold them a week later.

Here are some of the articles on the GT350R CF wheels:

http://www.motortrend.com/news/carbo...-aussie-style/
http://blog.caranddriver.com/tested-...-fiber-wheels/
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...sa-technology/
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GT350R is just spectacular. I love how its been executed. The same goes for the M2. But frankly, I just don't think they are very comparable but I get why its been done. Very doubtful they would even be cross-shopped even though they have similar price ranges. They are just too different, sizes, concepts, tech, power. The GT350R is no joke, its awesome. To get down to it though, I'd likely buy an M2 before a GT350R.
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The pompous BMW dbags are the ones who swerve in and out of traffic cutting people off left and right...

I'm not hating on the Mustang, I'm just making the observation that BMW is luxury and Mustang is not. AND I'm aware the 2 series is one of the cheapest models I'm just making a point that the BMW brand gives off a more classy aurora to the average eye.

It's not necessarily my fault that the Mustang owners I've ran into at meets/shows are all stand-offish unless you drive a Mustang. Forgive me for sharing what I've experienced...
The 2 is a mass produced car and the cheapest of the BMW range, nothing classy about that. You'd be surprised the level of luxury a modern well equipped Mustang/Camaro/Challenger has. Almost makes you question why a BMW is twice as much.

Its just showing how far other automakers especially American have come so far, and BMW has arguably been going further and further from their roots.

This car is great, but lets not take anything away from the GT350/R. Truly a special car. If it had a DCT, it would be in my garage right now. I really wanted an M2, but just too small to be usable and the lease payments are ridiculous.
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The 2 is a mass produced car and the cheapest of the BMW range, nothing classy about that. You'd be surprised the level of luxury a modern well equipped Mustang/Camaro/Challenger has. Almost makes you question why a BMW is twice as much.

Its just showing how far other automakers especially American have come so far, and BMW has arguably been going further and further from their roots.

This car is great, but lets not take anything away from the GT350/R. Truly a special car. If it had a DCT, it would be in my garage right now. I really wanted an M2, but just too small to be usable and the lease payments are ridiculous.
My 1M had zero squeaks/interior noises after almost 5 years of ownership. And I live sort of out in the country and let's just say the roads I drive on are not all that great so it had plenty of chances to knock something loose. Yes, American cars have caught up, performance wise, but I seriously doubt any of those cars you mentioned would have a creaky-less interior after 6 months, much b less 5 years.
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My 1M had zero squeaks/interior noises after almost 5 years of ownership. And I live sort of out in the country and let's just say the roads I drive on are not all that great so it had plenty of chances to knock something loose. Yes, American cars have caught up, performance wise, but I seriously doubt any of those cars you mentioned would have a creaky-less interior after 6 months, much b less 5 years.
So either you had some kind of factory freak, or you should get your hearing checked, because I've never owned a BMW that didn't have creaks and rattles in the interior. Plenty of people complain of similar problems on the forum.

I love my BMWs, but let's keep our heads on straight. There's no need to tell fairytales.
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So either you had some kind of factory freak, or you should get your hearing checked, because I've never owned a BMW that didn't have creaks and rattles in the interior. Plenty of people complain of similar problems on the forum.

I love my BMWs, but let's keep our heads on straight. There's no need to tell fairytales.
I'm telling the truth...sorry, must have been a factory freak. No rattles...None. I have no reason to lie.

And my wife's 5 year old F10 535 only has one, maybe two very faint rattles. Very faint. Find me a 5 year old Mustang or Camaro or Vette for that matter that doesn't sound like it's falling apart in comparison.
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Yes it is. But is it because BMW sucks now? Or is it because American cars are finally kicking some ass?
THIS. I bought my first BMW in 2001. The Vette, Camaro, and Mustang have come a loooooong way since then. Ultimately, all of this competition can only mean 1 thing....better cars.

I agree these two cars are an odd pairing. However, have you looked at how many young E90 owners are throwing tunes on their N54s? I suspect a lot of those guys would cross-shop all of the above when they are ready for a new car- especially given the fact that BMW doesn't carry the cachet it once did.....
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No comparison. Who wouldnt take the GT350?
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I really like how that 350R looks. It's just a mean mofo
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I really like how that 350R looks. It's just a mean mofo
And that sound... flat plane crank with 526 hp and 8250 redline.
And those looks... just so mean and aston-ish.

I can't leave the house without at least 4-5 admirers/comments on my 2017 GT350 convienence-pack with R-Spec gloss black wheels.

Its a beast, period, and handles like it is smaller than my old 135i.

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No comparison. Who wouldnt take the GT350?
Those who think the exterior dimensions are too big. It's bigger than an M4 which everyone is aware, ain't that small.
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I would love to get a GT350R. But with all the ADM, not going to happen
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Its funny how a debate about cars turns into an argument about class. BMW is seen as a premium brand. People are generally willing to pay more for the image, as most will never do more with their M car than drive to the mall. I had an 08 STi. Great car. Tons of fun. If you like attention from teens wearing flat billed DC hats and monster energy shirts, this was the car for you. I took tons of crap from my exotic driving co workers for driving it. Just have to ignore people. Drive what impresses you. In fact, I take more crap for driving a "Bimmer" from my camaro and mustang buddies than anyone else.

That being said, I tried buying a GT350 when they first came out. 88k was the cheapest I could find. I passed and got the M2 instead. Figure it was a win win situation. GT 350 gives you goosebumps at WOT. May eventually pick one up.

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A good friend moved from an M3 Comp to a GT350 (not an R). He loves the car but misses the "BMW feel", the DCT and the instantaneous torque. I've driven it a couple of times and the engine is fabulous and the sound? Nothing compares. It's a totally different experience compared to the M2. Not better - different. But, the ADM on the 350 is high. The 350R ADM is ridiculous. In comparison, the M2 is a tremendous value and although difficult to obtain, not impossible.
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