M2 vs Porsche 718 (moose tests)

NachoM · 08-04-2016, 03:40 AM

Sorry for the language. These are not fancy videos of one instructor powersliding, but true facts of an ISO test. Nice to see M2 performing as expected (more rear axle movements), and surprising to see the 718 making things seem very easy!

BMW M2:

Porsche 718 Boxster:

Hope you like it!

Robin_NL · 08-04-2016, 04:16 AM

Gracias for sharing, but this it with all nannies off I guess? I just saw parts of the video without sound.

Cheers
Robin

NachoM · 08-04-2016, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Gracias for sharing, but this it with all nannies off I guess? I just saw parts of the video without sound.

Cheers
Robin

Ive been told by the driver doing the tests both are with all systems ON and in STANDARD mode (so confort for the M2, and normal for the 718)

ASked them also if they tried with different modes to see if there is any benefit from the supposed more agility allowed in SPORT and SPORT+ modes, but it seems they were not allowed to do that.

ried · 08-04-2016, 12:26 PM

I also wonder how much the M Performance coilover suspension would affect the results, if at all.

The 718 seems remarkably well balanced.

NachoM · 08-05-2016, 02:16 AM

Bad news is 218 Series 2 Active tourer makes better/similar resultas as M2...

Robin_NL · 08-05-2016, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by NachoM

Bad news is 218 Series 2 Active tourer makes better/similar resultas as M2...

This one?

Room for > 5 persons, better mpg, I'm going to trade in my M2 lol.

Cheers
Robin

NachoM · 08-05-2016, 03:07 AM

Saw that vid too. Crazy!

Moose test by same guys on the Active Tourer. Amazing..."same" as an M2. I hate to admit.

Romo · 08-05-2016, 02:33 PM

What Im seeing;

The Boxster is clearly breaking after the first left braking turner , while the M2 is not.

FWIW

kylejdavidson · 08-05-2016, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Romo

What Im seeing;

The Boxster is clearly breaking after the first left braking turner , while the M2 is not.

FWIW

Yep. Are they measuring exit speed as well? Without knowing the language it's hard to understand the scope of the test.

IvanMRX · 08-06-2016, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kylejdavidson

Yep. Are they measuring exit speed as well? Without knowing the language it's hard to understand the scope of the test.

No, They are only proving if the car can pass the test without hitting the cones.

Romo · 08-06-2016, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by IvanMRX

No, They are only proving if the car can pass the test without hitting the cones.

While applying the brakes for the Boxster

IvanMRX · 08-06-2016, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Romo

While applying the brakes for the Boxster

It was the ESP, when it is working the braking lights turn on. At least that is what They say in the video...

kylejdavidson · 08-06-2016, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by IvanMRX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo

While applying the brakes for the Boxster

It was the ESP, when it is working the braking lights turn on. At least that is what They say in the video...

Ahh, interesting. Would be interesting to see exit speeds as well. Cool test though!

hoyasaxa · 08-06-2016, 07:39 PM

Well this was painful to watch ...

The 718 was completely unfazed. I wish they hadn't aborted the 83kph test after clipping the first cone.

Robin_NL · 08-07-2016, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NachoM

Saw that vid too. Crazy!

Moose test by same guys on the Active Tourer. Amazing..."same" as an M2. I hate to admit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IvanMRX

No, They are only proving if the car can pass the test without hitting the cones.

From 1:15 on , the 80kmh test: El juego de destruir los mas conos posible

The 'destroy as much cones as you can game' lol.

225Xe is an 'AWD' car which probably benefits a bit( balance/weight front rear?) from that layout in those moose tests.

And I like the Macan etc, but what's this?

Cheers
Robin

NachoM · 08-07-2016, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

From 1:15 on , the 80kmh test: El juego de destruir los mas conos posible

The 'destroy as much cones as you can game' lol.

225Xe is an 'AWD' car which probably benefits a bit( balance/weight front rear?) from that layout in those moose tests.

And I like the Macan etc, but what's this?

Cheers
Robin

Hi, Porsche replied to this question. They say their ESP is tuned to avoid car rolling over on this test, and so the strange behavior. Believe it not, this is their explanation.

NachoM · 08-07-2016, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Romo

What Im seeing;

The Boxster is clearly breaking after the first left braking turner , while the M2 is not.

FWIW

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylejdavidson

Yep. Are they measuring exit speed as well? Without knowing the language it's hard to understand the scope of the test.

These are the questions Ive myself to the people doing the tests. If ESP in 718 slows dramatically the car while in the M2 it doesn't...that might explain the difference.

Lets see what they say.

Glounk · 08-07-2016, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Robin_NL

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He has a good taste for watches

Smiley1175 · 08-08-2016, 06:38 PM

Reminds me of the old jeep tests they did

confusion · 08-08-2016, 07:48 PM

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Reminds me of the old jeep tests they did

Wow!

nachob · 04-21-2023, 10:19 AM

Having just gone moved from my 1M to a 2022 Cayman, I am still shocked at how good the Cayman is while at the same time for a four seat car, how good the M2 is. It is just a heavier and taller car and it's just physics. BMW has done a really good job, but as an BMW fan, the Porsche is just at another level obviously due to mid engine design, lighter and lower. Furthermore the one thing not mentioned in the test is that while the M2 has one suspension, the Cayman and Boxster have 3 variants. The base non active suspension, PASM -10 mm drop which is an active one and the Sports PASM with -20mm drop and slightly larger anti-roll bars. Based on the fender gap, I am guessing this one has the PASM -10mm drop, but not sure. If that is the case, I wonder how the S-PASM -20 would perform. I wish they mentioned that. So kudos to BMW for making a tall, heavy car handle so well for what it is but it is definitely a squirrely car and that is why some other cars do better in this test. Since I speak Spanish, they mention that the M2 requires higher levels of skill in there as well to get the best out of it...but we all knew that already. : )

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nachob Brigadier General 2314 Rep 4,341 Posts Drives: 2004 330i ZHP, 2022 Cayman T Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: California iTrader: (5)	Having just gone moved from my 1M to a 2022 Cayman, I am still shocked at how good the Cayman is while at the same time for a four seat car, how good the M2 is. It is just a heavier and taller car and it's just physics. BMW has done a really good job, but as an BMW fan, the Porsche is just at another level obviously due to mid engine design, lighter and lower. Furthermore the one thing not mentioned in the test is that while the M2 has one suspension, the Cayman and Boxster have 3 variants. The base non active suspension, PASM -10 mm drop which is an active one and the Sports PASM with -20mm drop and slightly larger anti-roll bars. Based on the fender gap, I am guessing this one has the PASM -10mm drop, but not sure. If that is the case, I wonder how the S-PASM -20 would perform. I wish they mentioned that. So kudos to BMW for making a tall, heavy car handle so well for what it is but it is definitely a squirrely car and that is why some other cars do better in this test. Since I speak Spanish, they mention that the M2 requires higher levels of skill in there as well to get the best out of it...but we all knew that already. : )
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