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      03-18-2018, 08:42 AM   #1
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Hi everyone!

If this has been asked and answered already, I apologize. I could not find anything by searching.

I've had my M235i for just under two years. I love it very much. Since I was around 12 years old, however, I have wanted to own a true M vehicle. I test drove a 2018 M2 at the dealership the other day, but it was only for a few minutes. It felt quite a lot like my car, but definitely was more snappy and accelerated with greater ferocity.

Has anyone here upgraded from the 2 series to an M2? Did you feel that it was worth it? The upgraded dash and integration of apple carplay seems quite nice. I have a company car for work so I generally only get to drive my BMW on weekends. I am debating if it is worth the added cost to bump up to the M2 to become my weekend warrior, and looking for opinions of anyone who has owned both.

Thanks so much in advance.
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Hi everyone!

If this has been asked and answered already, I apologize. I could not find anything by searching.

I've had my M235i for just under two years. I love it very much. Since I was around 12 years old, however, I have wanted to own a true M vehicle. I test drove a 2018 M2 at the dealership the other day, but it was only for a few minutes. It felt quite a lot like my car, but definitely was more snappy and accelerated with greater ferocity.

Has anyone here upgraded from the 2 series to an M2? Did you feel that it was worth it? The upgraded dash and integration of apple carplay seems quite nice. I have a company car for work so I generally only get to drive my BMW on weekends. I am debating if it is worth the added cost to bump up to the M2 to become my weekend warrior, and looking for opinions of anyone who has owned both.

Thanks so much in advance.
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If you are willing/able to spend 20-30K for the upgrade, go for it.

Personally, I think its way too costly for the difference in vehicle. Buying new, choosing M2 over 235/240 seems a no brainer but you will take a big hit on the 235. I have owned 2 "real" M cars and they are edgier and lots of fun. Is an M2 two really worth 1.5 times the price of the current car you drive only on weeksnds and LOVE ? Only u can answer that.

Figure your 235 to be worth 30-35 as a trade to a dealer and likely spending 60k on the M2.

For 60K, if you need a new ( different) weekend warrior there are used Porsches ( Boxster, Cayman, 911) out there, too. Why not try some alternative vehicles before considering a very expensive incremental move.
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I sold my 2014 M235i for a 2018 M2.

Financially it was a hard decision since nothing was wrong with my M235i.

Emotionally, it was a great decision. I love the more connected steering and the extra horse power. I even like the stiffer ride. The one thing you may love or hate is that the car is much loader. I like it but others hate it.

I have the M Performance exhaust and the M2 really sounds like a race car. Quite a change from the quit M235i.

In retrospect would I do it again: definitely yes.

I hope this helps.
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If you are willing/able to spend 20-30K for the upgrade, go for it.

Personally, I think its way too costly for the difference in vehicle. Buying new, choosing M2 over 235/240 seems a no brainer but you will take a big hit on the 235. I have owned 2 "real" M cars and they are edgier and lots of fun. Is an M2 two really worth 1.5 times the price of the current car you drive only on weeksnds and LOVE ? Only u can answer that.

Figure your 235 to be worth 30-35 as a trade to a dealer and likely spending 60k on the M2.

For 60K, if you need a new ( different) weekend warrior there are used Porsches ( Boxster, Cayman, 911) out there, too. Why not try some alternative vehicles before considering a very expensive incremental move.
Thanks. Perhaps I will hang onto it and see what the new M2 Competition ends up looking like.
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I sold my 2014 M235i for a 2018 M2.

Financially it was a hard decision since nothing was wrong with my M235i.

Emotionally, it was a great decision. I love the more connected steering and the extra horse power. I even like the stiffer ride. The one thing you may love or hate is that the car is much loader. I like it but others hate it.

I have the M Performance exhaust and the M2 really sounds like a race car. Quite a change from the quit M235i.

In retrospect would I do it again: definitely yes.

I hope this helps.
I wouldn't mind the sound at all. I have the MPE on my 235i and love the noise

From what I'm reading it seems like the next generation M2 will have the S55. Maybe I just wait and see what my options look like when that gets released.
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I attempted to trade up my '16 235i for a M2 but with only 12,000 miles and in excellent condition, I was losing over $15,000 in deprecation, not to mention another 8.65% again in NY sales tax, plus the dealer's BS fees..

I was in total shock and disappointment on how drastically the 2 series dropped in value, the salesperson told me the 235i is a "niche" vehicle and doesn't age well as far as value. I was under the false impression that all BMWs retains their Blue Book value well but I was told If I had a 335i instead, I would be in a much better position for trade in value, but WHY would do I that..

Anyway, I love the M2 and I wish it was more attainable but it's certainly not worth an approximately $20,000 lost. Maybe if I had rich parents or money to burn but for someone who earns every penny myself, it was a hard pill to swallow. So I passed on the M2 and just added an MP LSD to my 235i and called it a day.. Maybe in the future when the deprecation stabilizes and I see what they do with the M2 Comp.
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Hi everyone!

If this has been asked and answered already, I apologize. I could not find anything by searching.

I've had my M235i for just under two years. I love it very much. Since I was around 12 years old, however, I have wanted to own a true M vehicle. I test drove a 2018 M2 at the dealership the other day, but it was only for a few minutes. It felt quite a lot like my car, but definitely was more snappy and accelerated with greater ferocity.

Has anyone here upgraded from the 2 series to an M2? Did you feel that it was worth it? The upgraded dash and integration of apple carplay seems quite nice. I have a company car for work so I generally only get to drive my BMW on weekends. I am debating if it is worth the added cost to bump up to the M2 to become my weekend warrior, and looking for opinions of anyone who has owned both.

Thanks so much in advance.
Had a 15 228 M-Sport with TP and Dinan stage 1 with 311 HP. Best car I ever owned until I got the M2. Loved that car and Tracked it several times. Took a bath on it trading it in. However I have never looked back after getting the M2.
In the end its a tough decision. Money over something you really enjoy. I think I would always regret not having gotten the M2.
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Hi everyone!

If this has been asked and answered already, I apologize. I could not find anything by searching.

I've had my M235i for just under two years. I love it very much. Since I was around 12 years old, however, I have wanted to own a true M vehicle. I test drove a 2018 M2 at the dealership the other day, but it was only for a few minutes. It felt quite a lot like my car, but definitely was more snappy and accelerated with greater ferocity.

Has anyone here upgraded from the 2 series to an M2? Did you feel that it was worth it? The upgraded dash and integration of apple carplay seems quite nice. I have a company car for work so I generally only get to drive my BMW on weekends. I am debating if it is worth the added cost to bump up to the M2 to become my weekend warrior, and looking for opinions of anyone who has owned both.

Thanks so much in advance.
I had a 235 for about 18 months, back in 2014-2015...I was very disappointed with the car, and it drove me out of the brand and into getting a 981 CS.

The M2 is on another level - that's no disrespect to the 235, but it's a real M car - the differences are obvious after spending a little time in the M2.
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Hi everyone!

If this has been asked and answered already, I apologize. I could not find anything by searching.

I've had my M235i for just under two years. I love it very much. Since I was around 12 years old, however, I have wanted to own a true M vehicle. I test drove a 2018 M2 at the dealership the other day, but it was only for a few minutes. It felt quite a lot like my car, but definitely was more snappy and accelerated with greater ferocity.

Has anyone here upgraded from the 2 series to an M2? Did you feel that it was worth it? The upgraded dash and integration of apple carplay seems quite nice. I have a company car for work so I generally only get to drive my BMW on weekends. I am debating if it is worth the added cost to bump up to the M2 to become my weekend warrior, and looking for opinions of anyone who has owned both.

Thanks so much in advance.
I had a 235 for about 18 months, back in 2014-2015...I was very disappointed with the car, and it drove me out of the brand and into getting a 981 CS.

The M2 is on another level - that's no disrespect to the 235, but it's a real M car - the differences are obvious after spending a little time in the M2.
I guess it's one of those things you have to experience to really appreciate the difference. Because to me, other than the fancy bodywork and blue stitching, the only thing on paper that WoWs me about the M2 over the a 235i/240i is the awesome trick, torque-vectoring, electronic LSD that could transfer power from wheel to wheel, up to 100%.

When you see these morons doing burnouts and it looks like Jeff Gordon behind the wheel, it's only because the "real" Electronic LSD is so smart, based on various sensors, it knows the steering wheel is not active, car is not in forward motion, so hence it locks both rear wheels at even power, to do an awesome "Smokey" burnout. Same with drifting, hairpin turns and aggressive driving, it works in tandem with the DSC/MDM. I could go on for hours about the technical difference but the advantage to transfer power from wheel to wheel is the only thing that puts the M2 over the 235i in handling, IMHO. The power is almost the same stock with a 235i, even more with a 240i.

Don't get me wrong, I would give up my 235i any day for a M2 but only at a reasonable cost. I am not going to get hosed down financially just for the bragging rights of having an M2, only to drive in 30MPH city streets. But to each is own.
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I traded in my 2012 M235i for a 2018 M2. Never looked back. I loved the M235i but the M2 (to me) is so much better. Plus it helped that I got the M2 in 6MT, the M235i was auto...
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I traded in my 2012 M235i for a 2018 M2. Never looked back. I loved the M235i but the M2 (to me) is so much better. Plus it helped that I got the M2 in 6MT, the M235i was auto...
Hmm. There never was a 2012 M235i. 2014 was the first year (and even then March 2014 was the introduction).
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I guess it's one of those things you have to experience to really appreciate the difference. Because to me, other than the fancy bodywork and blue stitching, the only thing on paper that WoWs me about the M2 over the a 235i/240i is the awesome trick, torque-vectoring, electronic LSD that could transfer power from wheel to wheel, up to 100%.
The suspension and track taken directly from the M4 is also pretty wow-some.
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I guess it's one of those things you have to experience to really appreciate the difference. Because to me, other than the fancy bodywork and blue stitching, the only thing on paper that WoWs me about the M2 over the a 235i/240i is the awesome trick, torque-vectoring, electronic LSD that could transfer power from wheel to wheel, up to 100%.

When you see these morons doing burnouts and it looks like Jeff Gordon behind the wheel, it's only because the "real" Electronic LSD is so smart, based on various sensors, it knows the steering wheel is not active, car is not in forward motion, so hence it locks both rear wheels at even power, to do an awesome "Smokey" burnout. Same with drifting, hairpin turns and aggressive driving, it works in tandem with the DSC/MDM. I could go on for hours about the technical difference but the advantage to transfer power from wheel to wheel is the only thing that puts the M2 over the 235i in handling, IMHO. The power is almost the same stock with a 235i, even more with a 240i.

Don't get me wrong, I would give up my 235i any day for a M2 but only at a reasonable cost. I am not going to get hosed down financially just for the bragging rights of having an M2, only to drive in 30MPH city streets. But to each is own.
"Bragging Rights", Wow sounds like someone wants an M2
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"Bragging Rights", Wow sounds like someone wants an M2
I find most people have no idea what an M2 is. Therefore, there is no bragging rights.
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I guess it's one of those things you have to experience to really appreciate the difference. Because to me, other than the fancy bodywork and blue stitching, the only thing on paper that WoWs me about the M2 over the a 235i/240i is the awesome trick, torque-vectoring, electronic LSD that could transfer power from wheel to wheel, up to 100%.

When you see these morons doing burnouts and it looks like Jeff Gordon behind the wheel, it's only because the "real" Electronic LSD is so smart, based on various sensors, it knows the steering wheel is not active, car is not in forward motion, so hence it locks both rear wheels at even power, to do an awesome "Smokey" burnout. Same with drifting, hairpin turns and aggressive driving, it works in tandem with the DSC/MDM. I could go on for hours about the technical difference but the advantage to transfer power from wheel to wheel is the only thing that puts the M2 over the 235i in handling, IMHO. The power is almost the same stock with a 235i, even more with a 240i.

Don't get me wrong, I would give up my 235i any day for a M2 but only at a reasonable cost. I am not going to get hosed down financially just for the bragging rights of having an M2, only to drive in 30MPH city streets. But to each is own.
I think you might feel differently if you were to spend any extended amount of time in an M2. I can see the appeal of the 235 - especially for someone who is new to BMW and/or BMW. It's got some things going for it...but don't get it twisted - there's a night and day difference between a real M and the marketing project that is the M performance line.

The M2 is essentially an M3 from the belt line down (which I own) - and other than the roundel and being fellow 2ers, that's about where the similarities end.

Additionally, I believe the LSD is mechanical on the M2/3/4 - the 235 has the electronic version (IIRC).
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I find most people have no idea what an M2 is. Therefore, there is no bragging rights.
Yes, and then there's the snowflakes who think they do, and don't have one and dump on people who do.
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I guess it's one of those things you have to experience to really appreciate the difference. Because to me, other than the fancy bodywork and blue stitching, the only thing on paper that WoWs me about the M2 over the a 235i/240i is the awesome trick, torque-vectoring, electronic LSD that could transfer power from wheel to wheel, up to 100%.

When you see these morons doing burnouts and it looks like Jeff Gordon behind the wheel, it's only because the "real" Electronic LSD is so smart, based on various sensors, it knows the steering wheel is not active, car is not in forward motion, so hence it locks both rear wheels at even power, to do an awesome "Smokey" burnout. Same with drifting, hairpin turns and aggressive driving, it works in tandem with the DSC/MDM. I could go on for hours about the technical difference but the advantage to transfer power from wheel to wheel is the only thing that puts the M2 over the 235i in handling, IMHO. The power is almost the same stock with a 235i, even more with a 240i.

Don't get me wrong, I would give up my 235i any day for a M2 but only at a reasonable cost. I am not going to get hosed down financially just for the bragging rights of having an M2, only to drive in 30MPH city streets. But to each is own.
I think you might feel differently if you were to spend any extended amount of time in an M2. I can see the appeal of the 235 - especially for someone who is new to BMW and/or BMW. It's got some things going for it...but don't get it twisted - there's a night and day difference between a real M and the marketing project that is the M performance line.

The M2 is essentially an M3 from the belt line down (which I own) - and other than the roundel, that's about where the similarities end.

Additionally, I believe the LSD is mechanical - the 235 has the electronic version (IIRC).

Thanks for your humble feedback. The M2 LSD is mechanical but electronically controlled. The 235i has a MP LSD option ($2,500) but it only locks up at 40% (not electronically controlled) as oppose to the M2, which has a 100% locking capability, depending on the sensor's feedback. It's been around since the E46 but they recently revised it for the M4 CS, I'm not sure if the M2 has the most recent revision.
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Hi everyone!

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I've had my M235i for just under two years. I love it very much. Since I was around 12 years old, however, I have wanted to own a true M vehicle. I test drove a 2018 M2 at the dealership the other day, but it was only for a few minutes. It felt quite a lot like my car, but definitely was more snappy and accelerated with greater ferocity.

Has anyone here upgraded from the 2 series to an M2? Did you feel that it was worth it? The upgraded dash and integration of apple carplay seems quite nice. I have a company car for work so I generally only get to drive my BMW on weekends. I am debating if it is worth the added cost to bump up to the M2 to become my weekend warrior, and looking for opinions of anyone who has owned both.

Thanks so much in advance.
I had a 235 for about 18 months, back in 2014-2015...I was very disappointed with the car, and it drove me out of the brand and into getting a 981 CS.

The M2 is on another level - that's no disrespect to the 235, but it's a real M car - the differences are obvious after spending a little time in the M2.
I guess it's one of those things you have to experience to really appreciate the difference. Because to me, other than the fancy bodywork and blue stitching, the only thing on paper that WoWs me about the M2 over the a 235i/240i is the awesome trick, torque-vectoring, electronic LSD that could transfer power from wheel to wheel, up to 100%.

When you see these morons doing burnouts and it looks like Jeff Gordon behind the wheel, it's only because the "real" Electronic LSD is so smart, based on various sensors, it knows the steering wheel is not active, car is not in forward motion, so hence it locks both rear wheels at even power, to do an awesome "Smokey" burnout. Same with drifting, hairpin turns and aggressive driving, it works in tandem with the DSC/MDM. I could go on for hours about the technical difference but the advantage to transfer power from wheel to wheel is the only thing that puts the M2 over the 235i in handling, IMHO. The power is almost the same stock with a 235i, even more with a 240i.

Don't get me wrong, I would give up my 235i any day for a M2 but only at a reasonable cost. I am not going to get hosed down financially just for the bragging rights of having an M2, only to drive in 30MPH city streets. But to each is own.
This current car definitely isn't for everybody/mass consumption and if the bodywork and blue stitching are 2 of the 3 top things you like about it then I don't think you'll really enjoy the M2 even if you don't get hosed on a trade-in.
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This current car definitely isn't for everybody/mass consumption and if the bodywork and blue stitching are 2 of the 3 top things you like about it then I don't think you'll really enjoy the M2 even if you don't get hosed on a trade-in.
That's what I was hinting at - the 235 is a 2er with the PPK...while the M2 is...an M. Big difference.
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Yea definitely right over his head... haha someone needs to go back to the 2er forums side.

I went from a leased M240i, i was lucky to only take about a 2k hit on my car, had it for 6 months but it was automatic and i missed my stick shift,

I was lucky enough to get into a used M2 spd that was sticker at 62K but snagged it for about 47k from a real nice guy that had a 718 cayman on order. got a great deal so i figured came out ahead on that trade from a financial point of view.

now the raw feel and sound not to mention the LOOKS. A Much more aggressive front end, wide front and rear fenders of the M2 to me makes it worth it over the M240i... my buddies i usually run the the canyons with around here in Socal all comment that i am driving about 10-20MPH faster in the turns than i did in the M240i which is mostly from the much more firm and planted suspension.

Now if youre going to be taking a 15-20k hit on i would say its not worth it.

The MSRP on my M240i was supposed to be around 52.5, i got it for around 48 and change, and someone was able to take over the lease without paying my downpayment (so they saved about 2k), going from there and up to the M2 for barely anything more was completely and utterly a no brainer for my personal situation.

I tend to switch out cars every year or two, the longest ive ever owned a car is 3 years but i really think for the money, theres not much better i can do until i am in a situation where i can have two cars, a DD truck, and a Cayman or 911.
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