[Venom]

Originally Posted by Tag

That's exactly what BMW wants.

Yes, but the first year is free.

Wtf, how is CarPlay subscription based? What happens if I opt to not get it, is the native UI okay? Does it have another projection type interface ala ford mysync?

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Venom

Wtf, how is CarPlay subscription based? What happens if I opt to not get it, is the native UI okay? Does it have another projection type interface ala ford mysync?

Carplay use to be a one time fee of $300, but just like everything else they realized they can really stick it to you by making it subscription based. To sell it they said "most people lease" ( don't get me started on that BS line they constantly recycle) and since the first year is free you only pay $180 over a three year lease. Their other pitch was that even if you're not leasing you get it for free for the first year and even though it's $80/yr thereafter you can cancel it at anytime. Ohh, I can? Thought never crossed my mind.

That said, you can completely disable Carplay if you don't want it. There's no additional hardware for it, it runs on the same system as iDrive. LCI cars that didn't come from factory with Carplay could have it enabled if you paid $300 after the fact. BMW would then send you a code to unlock Carplay for life. That's no more.

I know it sounds like I'm upset about this. Well, yes and no. I could give a sh*t about Carplay and never planned on getting it or using it. I just hate subscription based schemes designed to bend you over without consent, and don't even have the decency to offer up some Vaseline.

[miiipilot]

Although I love my car...I have to say, I'm a bit angry.
This is how it should have been made all along.

I am definitely jealous. Makes mine feel really old and outdated.

[izzyM2]

Originally Posted by miiipilot

Although I love my car...I have to say, I'm a bit angry.
This is how it should have been made all along.

I am definitely jealous. Makes mine feel really old and outdated.

Our car is old and outdated. Wait a bit and it will be a classic.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Tag

Carplay use to be a one time fee of $300, but just like everything else they realized they can really stick it to you by making it subscription based. To sell it they said "most people lease" ( don't get me started on that BS line they constantly recycle) and since the first year is free you only pay $180 over a three year lease. Their other pitch was that even if you're not leasing you get it for free for the first year and even though it's $80/yr thereafter you can cancel it at anytime. Ohh, I can? Thought never crossed my mind.

That said, you can completely disable Carplay if you don't want it. There's no additional hardware for it, it runs on the same system as iDrive. LCI cars that didn't come from factory with Carplay could have it enabled if you paid $300 after the fact. BMW would then send you a code to unlock Carplay for life. That's no more.

I know it sounds like I'm upset about this. Well, yes and no. I could give a sh*t about Carplay and never planned on getting it or using it. I just hate subscription based schemes designed to bend you over without consent, and don't even have the decency to offer up some Vaseline.

I feel the same way, those new Volvo commercials that say "you used to buy music too" make me flip the channel. I am not going to pay for a subscription model. There is no extra service I am getting with carplay that gets improved over time smfh

[Duck Sauce]

I bowed out of my allocation. My dealer straight up said MSRP without hesitation but I keep crunching the numbers and looking at the only color I'll settle for is black. That being said I ended up getting a lightly used M3 spec'd the way I want for the same price.

The M2C does look like it will be a fun, small car but I was making too many compromises.

[cornercase]

Originally Posted by izzyM2

Our car is old and outdated. Wait a bit and it will be a classic.

Agreed.

2016-2017 “Classic M2”.
Single-model year 2018 M2 LCI, a la 1991 318is E30.

Let’s all be happy that BMW is trying to rekindle “The Ultimate Driving Machine”.

[cornercase]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

People can justify their M2 purchases all day long. How much does the M2 cost NOW? How much does the M2C cost NOW? None of us have a time machine as far as I know. Granted a local dealer offered me $3500. off of a 2018 M2 but I'm getting $3000. off of the M2C through ED and it will be 1 year newer which does count if you try to sell it in a few years. That one year might just make up for the $4400. in higher purchase price.

I get it. All I’m considering is the same kind of deal I could potentially get now. To each his own. Some folks frankly don’t care what they spend; in San Rafael, California, I believe the first 2016 M2 sold for more than $100,000. Nor do some care about about ED or PCD, but I did. I want my M2 to be my first and only Bimmer — pry it away from me when I’m dead — so I’m happy with the deal I got. I called nearly every dealer in California until I got the configuration I wanted (6MT, LBB, CarPlay, Moonroof, UC+ and no annoying nannies or bumper pockmarks with NO Exec Pack) at MSRP sticker with both ED and PCD — the delivery experiences were worth all the effort and waiting.

I’m surely a bit jealous of the engine and its related improvements, not to mention the cosmetics (M mirrors more than the less comfortable M sport seats), but I wouldn’t break $60K for them on an M2C.

[qnet]

Originally Posted by cornercase

My California 2018 M2 LCI (6MT, LBB, CarPlay, Moonroof, UC+) would now cost $63,774 OTD and assuming the same Euro Delivery sticker price / discount; that’s $5,381 more (9.2%+) than the $58,393 OTD that I paid, and I was lucky enough to have ED and PCD. Good luck to folks, but IMHO, the Classic M2 was priced perfectly, so I’d start looking at the M3/M4 now that M2C brings most folks above $60K.

Also, isn’t CarPlay on M2C an $80 annual subscription now? http://www.bmwblog.com/2018/01/18/bm...ption-service/

I agree. I love my LCI M2 and like the M2C, but if I had it to do over again, I would have doubled down, and really pushed my dealer to get the 16 M2 instead of a 16 M235i. I know everyone's opinion on the M2 is different, but I think the people who got the M2 in 16 really made out well, especially when you consider the old warranty.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

People can justify their M2 purchases all day long. How much does the M2 cost NOW? How much does the M2C cost NOW? None of us have a time machine as far as I know. Granted a local dealer offered me $3500. off of a 2018 M2 but I'm getting $3000. off of the M2C through ED and it will be 1 year newer which does count if you try to sell it in a few years. That one year might just make up for the $4400. in higher purchase price.

+1. Not to mention when you start adding options, considering the new standard options and Exec Pack price decrease, price diff to LCI is really only $3750. The amount of updates far exceeds that price. This car is a screaming bargain. MY2019 M3/M4 about to get their annual price bump too.

[norMcal]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

763M wheel/tire/tpms package has been available for M2 for awhile. Just order them post delivery and sell the 788M secondhand. Funny how taste are different, I hate 666M wheels in your link.



https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...et-36112449762

How do you suppose the prices break down, ordering with the car, versus getting them later and selling off stock wheels?

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Yeah, those wheels are nice. Are those the same as the M4? The only thing I don't like about them is that they are 20". I cringe enough at potholes with my 19" wheels :-)

I didn't realize they were 20's. That explains why they look better. A size up always looks a bit more agressive

Originally Posted by MSurge

You can get the old wheels (437M) as an option in Canada. Personally, I love the new wheels.

The stock M2 wheels are so so to me, but I do not like the M2C wheels at all. The M Performance wheels look by far the best IMO, but those 666's would have been better than either of the first two choices.

Originally Posted by ChrisK

I like the 666M on the M2, but they are 20" and heavy.

True! Like I said, did not catch that they were 20's. That is a deal breaker for sure

Originally Posted by Duck Sauce

I bowed out of my allocation. My dealer straight up said MSRP without hesitation but I keep crunching the numbers and looking at the only color I'll settle for is black. That being said I ended up getting a lightly used M3 spec'd the way I want for the same price.

The M2C does look like it will be a fun, small car but I was making too many compromises.

I agree, but in the end the M3 makes little sense to me. I have no use for another big car. If you purely want it as a sports car, then the M2C is a better choice. If you are looking for value and/or dual purpose, yes, then a slightly used M3C is the way to go. Better colors for sure also.

Originally Posted by qnet

I agree. I love my LCI M2 and like the M2C, but if I had it to do over again, I would have doubled down, and really pushed my dealer to get the 16 M2 instead of a 16 M235i. I know everyone's opinion on the M2 is different, but I think the people who got the M2 in 16 really made out well, especially when you consider the old warranty.

Yes, and they can sell it for very little depreciation and still jump up to a new one.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by norMcal

How do you suppose the prices break down, ordering with the car, versus getting them later and selling off stock wheels?

Best bet would be buy the 763m wheels only, part# 36118053421 and 36118053422. Then transfer over tires and tpms from 788m wheels. BMWpartpros have 763m wheels for $3200, sell new 788M for $2000.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Best bet would be buy the 763m wheels only, part# 36118053421 and 36118053422. Then transfer over tires and tpms from 788m wheels. BMWpartpros have 763m wheels for $3200, sell new 788M for $2000.

It's a little more than that, bra... They go for a $1,000 a piece shipped, at most places, as far as I know..

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by Poochie

It's a little more than that, bra... They go for a $1,000 a piece shipped, at most places, as far as I know..

No, you need to order them from the right place like BMW Morristown:

Front 763 is $715.50, and the rear is $787.50.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Poochie

It's a little more than that, bra... They go for a $1,000 a piece shipped, at most places, as far as I know..

$3261+ shipping

BMWpartpros is Golfrr from Steve Thomas.

https://www.bmwpartspros.com/partloc...catalogid=8798

https://www.bmwpartspros.com/partloc...catalogid=8798

[Poochie]

Thanks a little better but they don't have a dedicated online order portal, so I have to call and still pay NJ sales tax and possible shipping.. So add $200 to the total..

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

No, you need to order them from the right place like BMW Morristown:

Front 763 is $715.50, and the rear is $787.50.

Even better $3k +shipping.

[ND40oz]

Originally Posted by E46M54325Ci

So the plastic high gloss black trim is now an option? It's not the piano wood? If anyone with a pre-LCI would like the standard high gloss black trim, lmk!

4LU Black High-gloss Trim with Pearl Chrome Accent is a no charge option.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by cornercase

I get it. All I’m considering is the same kind of deal I could potentially get now. To each his own. Some folks frankly don’t care what they spend; in San Rafael, California, I believe the first 2016 M2 sold for more than $100,000. Nor do some care about about ED or PCD, but I did. I want my M2 to be my first and only Bimmer — pry it away from me when I’m dead — so I’m happy with the deal I got. I called nearly every dealer in California until I got the configuration I wanted (6MT, LBB, CarPlay, Moonroof, UC+ and no annoying nannies or bumper pockmarks with NO Exec Pack) at MSRP sticker with both ED and PCD — the delivery experiences were worth all the effort and waiting.

I’m surely a bit jealous of the engine and its related improvements, not to mention the cosmetics (M mirrors more than the less comfortable M sport seats), but I wouldn’t break $60K for them on an M2C.

You got PCD at thermal? I thought they didn't do that?

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

Out the door the m2c is about 10k more than my 17 m2 pre lci. Honestly I'm not sure back then I would have wanted to shell out that much extra over my budget.

that's why it's called a budget...

remember 2008?

[gemini.m3]

How many allocations do dealers typically get for new models like this? 3? Per quarter? So I’m number five on list but if I need to wait to q4 to order won’t have car to end of q1 2019. Far off, makes the current model more attractive

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by deceptiv335

How many allocations do dealers typically get for new models like this? 3? Per quarter? So I’m number five on list but if I need to wait to q4 to order won’t have car to end of q1 2019. Far off, makes the current model more attractive

Usually depends on the size of the dealer.