[paradoxical3]

Originally Posted by Verdi

You can have a lap timer in your M2 as well you know.

Which cars are you comparing? The M4 GTS (7.27.88) is only slower than the very pricy Mercedes SLS Black Series (7.26.40) around the nordschleife. But ok. Let's exclude the special versions... (ie not GTS, no Black Series and no other special limited version...)

Then BMW have these on the top 100 list:

85. BMW M4 7:52.00
96. BMW M5 7.55.00

(The M2 is 7.58.00 but rumour has it that it's been driven faster than that. And this modded M2 did it in 7.22.00 https://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...te-109989.html which is quite a bit faster than the Chevy at 7.29.00)

Mercedes has got NO ONE! No, the C63 didn't make the list. The M4 did.

Audi:
64. Audi R8 V10 7.44.00

Lexus:
50. Lexus LF-A 7.38.00

Alfa:
52. Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio 7.39.00


The R8 V10 and the LF-A are not comparable to the M4 and M5. They are supercars and much more expensive.

The ONLY car that stands out here is the magnificent Quadrifoglio. But it's an Alfa and will probably break down a lot.


The ZL1 is indeed very fast but it isn't my cup of tea. I think it's vulgar.

I was comparing to the more expensive cars. I guess that's kind of my point - BMW doesn't even care enough about performance to make a true sports car. The GTS is a good start but it's hardly a ground-up design. BMW currently doesn't make any cars that kids will put posters of on their walls. That is sad. But don't take my word for it, go read interviews of the current CEO and head of M. They state they have no need for a true sports car as it will take away sales from the i8 and their overall move to electrified and efficient cars.

Meanwhile, other companies keep cranking out badass sports cars.

[Verdi]

When did BMW make supercars then? They never did. Maybe the M1 but that was many years ago.

[scoale]

Originally Posted by paradoxical3

BMW's core mission is very clearly stated: efficient dynamics. That is why there is a MPG effeciency gauge in the M2 instead of an oil temp gauge. They are transitioning from a performance company to an efficiency company. That sticker is on every car they sell and on every page of their websites.

Contrast that with Chevy, who drops a 650hp engine into their affordable Camaro platform, and gives you adjustable camber plates, spool-valve coilovers, and functional aero from the factory. With 305/325 tires, and a price under $70k. With no allocation bullshit.

The really funny thing is the Chevy gets the same MPG as the M2 anyway. Lol. BMW needs to step it up.

I laugh every time I look at the Efficient Dynamics on the window of my E92 M3 that does 15mpg if I'm lucky

[chillindrdude]

i read the above article in the magazine during my flight yesterday. i almost had to use my barf bag.

comissa and leiberman are like a forced, not funny comedic duo, that makes me dumber for watching or reading.

the FIAT is crazy laggy. oh, but easily overlooked for M2's "fatal flaw" of electric steering.

i don't consider myself a BMW fanboy.

but that Leftovers shootout was a crock of sh!t.

[quikM2]

They want attention and shock value so they made the 'choices' they did. or they just threw paper in a hat and picked at random. not sure how else you explain that. Sure we're biased but anyone with any sense can see that the rankings make none.