[DanG]

Originally Posted by M2lees

Discounts in the uk are strong I got a 54k car for 43k

Wow. I wish we could do that in the U.S. Most dealers are still asking MSRP.

[M2lees]

The deals here are ridiculous at the moment and lots available , I had dealers repeatedly calling me on cars I enquirer about offering to beat deals , really is a consumer market here at the moment , you can get a new m3 cp for 50k

[amancuso]

Originally Posted by DanG

Wow. I wish we could do that in the U.S. Most dealers are still asking MSRP.

Guys, 43k British Pounds is = 60k USD.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by amancuso

Guys, 43k British Pounds is = 60k USD.

Thats true, but I think that price might include tax.

[M2C_PLUS]

Originally Posted by M2lees

Discounts in the uk are strong I got a 54k car for 43k

Same here

[akkando]

Originally Posted by M2lees

Discounts in the uk are strong I got a 54k car for 43k

There has always been more m2s in the UK than m2 buyers.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by akkando

There has always been more m2s in the UK than m2 buyers.

That Chris Harris video killed demand

[silverado]

Originally Posted by champignon

That Chris Harris video killed demand

Which video? The one in which he said he loved it and called it a "proper, proper M car" but said he'll keep his 1M? If so, how could that hurt M2 sales?

[silverado]

Originally Posted by DanG

Wow. I wish we could do that in the U.S. Most dealers are still asking MSRP.

I've gotten a decent discount here in the Boston area. It's no longer MSRP. Look at the pricing thread.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by silverado

I've gotten a decent discount here in the Boston area. It's no longer MSRP. Look at the pricing thread.

Seattle area is still near MSRP.

[silverado]

Originally Posted by DanG

Seattle area is still near MSRP.

I'd say keep at it. The prices of the current M2 are bound to budge if they haven't already.

[M2bean]

Originally Posted by Wharf Rat

Not to rain on yer parade, but you'll see the dust here on LBB.

Mine has PPF & ceramic coating & the day after I detail it, it's quite visible on the hood from the driver's seat. Then I start her up & forget all about the dust.

Love the color. Son has an Estoril blue 340 that, when parked next to mine, makes it look way more teal than blue.

I have a MG car right now and my husband's is estoril blue. His hides it better than mine. I know there will be dust. Can't escape it, unless you have time to wash everyday, and well, I'm just too busy for that.

[alavigne]

Originally Posted by 300f22

I am taking delivery of my AW M2 at 8 am. We may be the last ones to pick up these N55 M2s via ED.

My delivery time has been changed to 9 am on June 2. Might very well see you there!

[BMW_MSquared]

A little late to the discussion here, but back to the OP's question...I'm actually glad I didn't wait around for the new CS, for a few reasons.

1. Having heard both engines in person, the N55 just sounds better to me. All the M Performance and Akropovic exhausts in the world don't make the S55 any better to me...just louder. Bordering on the obnoxious. One local meet I went to, a fellow enthusiast showed off his new Akropovic unit as was "invited to not come back". Sound is soooo important. If money wasn't an object, I'd likely be looking at an Eagle Speedster or a Porsche reinvented by Singer.

2. The new CS front grill just doesn't do it for me. It borders something on the Tom Selak mustache, or fat lips on a goth girl wearing black lipstick. I actually like the current grill substantially more.

3. Power. Is is really worth the extra money for 50-60hp and 0.1s 0-60? Not to me. I won't be doing much tracking, and even if I did, a couple of minor mods (Dinan software, downpipe, and a couple other little things) and it's right there. Unless you're planning to race it all the time (which you ought not be doing on the street anyway), HP is just a penis-measuring game. 365hp in that small of a car is more than enough to be really happy, especially on the backroads here in Germany.

I don't hate on the M3/M4 at all. They're fantastic cars. They're just too big, and too heavy for what I want...a throw-back to the BMW e30s, and something that will look great next to my overhauled '87 325is MTech2 Turbo in the garage.

On the plus side, the 2018 LCi may become a bit of a collector item being offered for only 1 year with the N55 (mid-2017 to mid-2018). Even if it doesn't, no regrets here.

[TampaF87]

Also late to the discussion, but one of the biggest things I saw in the first half of the thread is that nobody mentioned that the N55 is long in the tooth. it's a variation on the design of an engine platform that has been used for over a decade, and beyond emissions and new regulations, they have an entire engine platform that replaced the N55 in EVERY other model that previously used the N55. The B-family is what they will use as the base for their next generation vehicles. We can already see that they are consolidating their manufacturing process by sharing the family for a wide selection of platforms, including the same block for both diesel and gasoline variants.

Moving forward, BMW will use the B-engine family to then develop a new M division motor for the G family coming up most likely, although short from reading any new press releases, that's only speculation. This is what manufacturers do when their back is against the wall via emission regulations and the entire Dieselgate scenario put them on notice to shape up. Their manufacturing regulations have gotten much more stringent as well in EU, so they are trying to be as efficient as possible from both a monetary standpoint but also a "footprint" standpoint as well.

[BMW_MSquared]

Originally Posted by TampaF87

Also late to the discussion, but one of the biggest things I saw in the first half of the thread is that nobody mentioned that the N55 is long in the tooth. it's a variation on the design of an engine platform that has been used for over a decade, and beyond emissions and new regulations, they have an entire engine platform that replaced the N55 in EVERY other model that previously used the N55. The B-family is what they will use as the base for their next generation vehicles. We can already see that they are consolidating their manufacturing process by sharing the family for a wide selection of platforms, including the same block for both diesel and gasoline variants.

Moving forward, BMW will use the B-engine family to then develop a new M division motor for the G family coming up most likely, although short from reading any new press releases, that's only speculation. This is what manufacturers do when their back is against the wall via emission regulations and the entire Dieselgate scenario put them on notice to shape up. Their manufacturing regulations have gotten much more stringent as well in EU, so they are trying to be as efficient as possible from both a monetary standpoint but also a "footprint" standpoint as well.

This is a really good point. It is time to update and move forward...particularly with the emissions monkey-wrench that the EU has implemented. That being said, my counterpoint is that with the older engine platform, they've had plenty of time to work out all the bugs.

BMW has always been pretty good about using an engine platform across many models and good bang for the buck there.

[silverado]

Originally Posted by BMW_MSquared

This is a really good point. It is time to update and move forward...particularly with the emissions monkey-wrench that the EU has implemented. That being said, my counterpoint is that with the older engine platform, they've had plenty of time to work out all the bugs.

BMW has always been pretty good about using an engine platform across many models and good bang for the buck there.

This is all true and are considerations to be taken into account by the manufacturer. But how does it have any bearing on an individual buying a car now? Both the N55 and S55 are long in the tooth and are being phased out, but either purchase will be fine for someone buying a car now even if they keep it for 10 years.

[TampaF87]

Originally Posted by silverado

This is all true and are considerations to be taken into account by the manufacturer. But how does it have any bearing on an individual buying a car now? Both the N55 and S55 are long in the tooth and are being phased out, but either purchase will be fine for someone buying a car now even if they keep it for 10 years.

I'm not saying don't buy it, I literally purchased a 2018 LCI M2 w/ N55 only 6 months ago. The N55, while great, is exceeded in virtually EVERY aspect of engine metrics by the S55, even if you remove the higher HP figures and terrible sound. Pound for pound, the S55 is a far superior engine, by virtue of it *had* to be. It was designed by the M division to withstand far worse conditions than the standard N55, but that's neither here nor there.

The argument between them is a moot point. They are both astounding engines, and are more than capable of doing 99% of the things people will use them for here. Even the most hardcore track enthusiast will hardly be left wanting more than an N55 when fully track prepped and proper cooling.

The point of having the M2 Competition isn't because of the S55. It's the same reason why people want the M4 GTS and will NEVER track the car: exclusivity.

The simple fact is, the B family of motors is going to replace the outgoing N series and will then have another S-variant of that from the M division. EVERY manufacturer (aside from GM and their same LS series with only minor changes) utilizes a refresh of engine platforms after about 6-8 years. It's time for the N55 to say goodbye, and usher in the newer engine family. It's the last of it's kind. The S55 has only been used since 2014, so no it's not long in the tooth, and its a relatively short lifespan in BMW terms. However, the N55 is the LONGEST running engine platform in the last 25+ years from BMW; the average lifespan is about 6 years. The N55 has been in use since 2009. Edit: the N63 beat it out by 1 year at 2008-

[Spa2k]

Originally Posted by TampaF87

Also late to the discussion, but one of the biggest things I saw in the first half of the thread is that nobody mentioned that the N55 is long in the tooth. it's a variation on the design of an engine platform that has been used for over a decade...

Is that all? You’d better not ask Chevrolet about the small block in the Corvette...

[bobert]

Originally Posted by TampaF87

Also late to the discussion, but one of the biggest things I saw in the first half of the thread is that nobody mentioned that the N55 is long in the tooth. it's a variation on the design of an engine platform that has been used for over a decade, and beyond emissions and new regulations, they have an entire engine platform that replaced the N55 in EVERY other model that previously used the N55. The B-family is what they will use as the base for their next generation vehicles. We can already see that they are consolidating their manufacturing process by sharing the family for a wide selection of platforms, including the same block for both diesel and gasoline variants.

Moving forward, BMW will use the B-engine family to then develop a new M division motor for the G family coming up most likely, although short from reading any new press releases, that's only speculation. This is what manufacturers do when their back is against the wall via emission regulations and the entire Dieselgate scenario put them on notice to shape up. Their manufacturing regulations have gotten much more stringent as well in EU, so they are trying to be as efficient as possible from both a monetary standpoint but also a "footprint" standpoint as well.

True - the N55 is at the end of the road - the M2 was the last car to have it (along with the X4 M40i). The new S58, developed off the B58 - which sounds fantastic and offers nice upgrades such as a closed deck and a bit more power - will be out next year, starting in the X3M. It'll be interesting to see whether the next-gen M2 gets an up-tuned B58 or a down-tuned S58. I have no plans to get rid of my M2 but I follow the updates simply cz I like the car.

[silverado]

Originally Posted by TampaF87

I'm not saying don't buy it, I literally purchased a 2018 LCI M2 w/ N55 only 6 months ago. The N55, while great, is exceeded in virtually EVERY aspect of engine metrics by the S55, even if you remove the higher HP figures and terrible sound. Pound for pound, the S55 is a far superior engine, by virtue of it *had* to be. It was designed by the M division to withstand far worse conditions than the standard N55, but that's neither here nor there.

The argument between them is a moot point. They are both astounding engines, and are more than capable of doing 99% of the things people will use them for here. Even the most hardcore track enthusiast will hardly be left wanting more than an N55 when fully track prepped and proper cooling.

The point of having the M2 Competition isn't because of the S55. It's the same reason why people want the M4 GTS and will NEVER track the car: exclusivity.

The simple fact is, the B family of motors is going to replace the outgoing N series and will then have another S-variant of that from the M division. EVERY manufacturer (aside from GM and their same LS series with only minor changes) utilizes a refresh of engine platforms after about 6-8 years. It's time for the N55 to say goodbye, and usher in the newer engine family. It's the last of it's kind. The S55 has only been used since 2014, so no it's not long in the tooth, and its a relatively short lifespan in BMW terms. However, the N55 is the LONGEST running engine platform in the last 25+ years from BMW; the average lifespan is about 6 years. The N55 has been in use since 2009. Edit: the N63 beat it out by 1 year at 2008-

I tried the B58 and it's incredible and it has tons of potential. I had read on this forum that the S58 would be in the next M3/M4 and that the S55 is seeing its last hurrah in the the M2 Competition. Maybe that was incorrect?

[e4chan]

I picked up a Black M2 with M performance package - carbon fiber kit, suspension and exhaust. Little bit more expensive, but got pretty good discount and all the BMW promotions this month.

Picking up the car next week.