[Edtex]

When I've done a search of Hockenheim Silver several images have come up and the colors have varied but I am curious as to what the actual color will be.

I'm wondering if production were to begin in July when would dealers receive their respective allocations and begin entering their orders? I know that every thing is pure speculation at the present time but it's kinda fun to talk about "what if" scenarios.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Edtex

Ooops my bad on the weight. Yeah, everything I've read states anywhere from 25 to 100 lbs. lighter. I'm happy with any weight reduction.

In my opinion the M2 S55 engine will likely be easily tuned to kick up the hp and torque. I will definitely incorporate the Dinan goodies when available.

My current consternation is car color. I was leaning toward the Grey Metallic which is the color of my M4 but it seems it might not be offered in the M2. I would consider silver unless it is very light. While the orange is pretty I'm not certain that I want such an "in your face" color. Black and white are no for me. Possibly the blue but it just seems a little tame for an aggressive sports car.

I would like to hear others opinions on car color that they prefer. Thanks

have you seen the blue in person? it gets a lot of attention....

[KevinM]

Originally Posted by Artemis

S55 power level is detuned to 302kW for the M2 Competition.

Time will tell if it's merely engine management or whether also the S55 engine layout is structurally modified.

Wouldn't it be quite a bit cheaper to just change the engine management? If so, that is probably the answer. BTW, thanks for all your M2 Competition information!

[hyperrift]

I'm dying to have a more accurate price. My local CA said 3 people already have deposits, but that he thinks the "M2 CS" will be 69k+ due to m3/m4 CS prices. I guess he doesn't realize it's no longer CS but just Competition. Anyway 69k starts being out of my price range so I'm hoping it's like 60k at most.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by hyperrift

I'm dying to have a more accurate price. My local CA said 3 people already have deposits, but that he thinks the "M2 CS" will be 69k+ due to m3/m4 CS prices. I guess he doesn't realize it's no longer CS but just Competition. Anyway 69k starts being out of my price range so I'm hoping it's like 60k at most.

You should ask why would a M2, without adaptive suspension, no carbon roof, no carbon trunk lid, dakota leather, base seats, detuned S55, etc...cost more than a M4? The individuals at dealers are clueless.

[norMcal]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Sport seat or m4 seat alone probably will save M2 30lbs. With other bolt on lightweight parts like roof/hood/trunk (if they're ever made for m2), m2 is easily a 100lbs lighter car than M4.

I sure hope the M2 Comp is going to be a bit lighter. That had to be the single most disappointing thing about the M2 so far, that it weighted nearly as much as a M3/M4.

Originally Posted by Edtex

The color silver is clearly the winner. Is it really that much more stylish looking or is there another reason for the majority who choose it? Maybe several carbon fiber add-on's would enhance the look?

I've picked HS because I feel the other 4 colors are now overdone and I would not be surprised if silver is going to get in fashion sometime soon again. Color trends change and silver has been out of favor for a good 10-15 years now. I think it's time for it to come back.

Originally Posted by hyperrift

I'm dying to have a more accurate price. My local CA said 3 people already have deposits, but that he thinks the "M2 CS" will be 69k+ due to m3/m4 CS prices. I guess he doesn't realize it's no longer CS but just Competition. Anyway 69k starts being out of my price range so I'm hoping it's like 60k at most.

I have a deposit on one and am hoping for $60k MSRP. If it gets closer to $70k, I will probably pass and pick up a used 991.

Originally Posted by M3_WC

You should ask why would a M2, without adaptive suspension, no carbon roof, no carbon trunk lid, dakota leather, base seats, detuned S55, etc...cost more than a M4? The individuals at dealers are clueless.

Good point. Although I would not mind a CF roof and adaptive suspension.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by Artemis

S55 power level is detuned to 302kW for the M2 Competition.

Time will tell if it's merely engine management or whether also the S55 engine layout is structurally modified.

If they make changes, I see it being more along the lines of cost savings. For instance many have pointed out no hood bulge like the M4. That could rule out top mount intercooler. Which could make sense, if the car is on lower boost. Inverse situation with the M4 GTS S55, where higher boost levels led to water injection.

[Edtex]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

You should ask why would a M2, without adaptive suspension, no carbon roof, no carbon trunk lid, dakota leather, base seats, detuned S55, etc...cost more than a M4? The individuals at dealers are clueless.

One photo of the new M2 shows it to have a carbon fiber roof but it could simply be an artists rendition. The "detuned" S55 on the new M2 will be the same basic engine as the M3/M4 however it will be tuned from the factory with less boost and other changes via the ECU software. Factory detuning can easily be reversed with performance tuning by such companies as Dinan. With all the goodies one can add 100hp to that engine (as I have done with my M4).

I'm number 5 on my dealers waiting list ($1,000 deposit).

[Lotus99]

Originally Posted by norMcal

I sure hope the M2 Comp is going to be a bit lighter. That had to be the single most disappointing thing about the M2 so far, that it weighted nearly as much as a M3/M4.

Right, speaks volumes about what an amazing job they did with the M4 in weight reduction, when it is a full 8" longer, yet only weighs 50 lbs more than the M2. Guessing the CF roof and driveshafts have something to do with it.

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by Edtex

One photo of the new M2 shows it to have a carbon fiber roof but it could simply be an artists rendition. The "detuned" S55 on the new M2 will be the same basic engine as the M3/M4 however it will be tuned from the factory with less boost and other changes via the ECU software. Factory detuning can easily be reversed with performance tuning by such companies as Dinan. With all the goodies one can add 100hp to that engine (as I have done with my M4).

I'm number 5 on my dealers waiting list ($1,000 deposit).

None of the leaks mentioned have a cf roof. Doubt they would make one specifically for the m2 at this point in the lifecycle. More likely it might get an aluminum hood to offset the weight of the s55.

[fullstack]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

None of the leaks mentioned have a cf roof. Doubt they would make one specifically for the m2 at this point in the lifecycle. More likely it might get an aluminum hood to offset the weight of the s55.

And the lighter front windshield.

[RPM33]

Does anyone know why some dealers are still calling this car the M2 CS? Are they referring to a different car than the M2 Competition?

[SW19]

There definitely won’t be a carbon fibre roof because none of the test cars have had one and don’t count on the M2 Competition weighing less than the current M2.Where are they going to save weight?We already know that it won’t be getting the CF driveshaft because BMW is changing the driveshaft in the M4 to steel because it now needs the particulate filter for emissions and the M2 Competition will also be getting the particulate filter.It will probably weigh more than the current M2 with the S55 engine.

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Does anyone know why some dealers are still calling this car the M2 CS? Are they referring to a different car than the M2 Competition?

Because most dealers have no clue and won't until the official release.

[hyperrift]

Well, I was thinking it was now the M2 Competition, but the January update by the OP says

"'M2 COMPETITION' UPDATE #5 (JANUARY 2018):
VIN specs & features of over 100 pre-production BMW M2 Competition cars: see here;
in VIN sheets of ALL test mules (October 2016 through today), the model name was now changed from "M2 Competition" to "M2 Cs". The "M2 Competition" model name has vanished from all VIN sheets. However, according to some sources, the model name "M2 Competition" is still showing up on the BMW internal system."

So I don't know, is it the M2 Cs or the M2 Competition?

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by hyperrift

Well, I was thinking it was now the M2 Competition, but the January update by the OP says

"'M2 COMPETITION' UPDATE #5 (JANUARY 2018):
VIN specs & features of over 100 pre-production BMW M2 Competition cars: see here;
in VIN sheets of ALL test mules (October 2016 through today), the model name was now changed from "M2 Competition" to "M2 Cs". The "M2 Competition" model name has vanished from all VIN sheets. However, according to some sources, the model name "M2 Competition" is still showing up on the BMW internal system."

So I don't know, is it the M2 Cs or the M2 Competition?

It's M2 Competition.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by hyperrift

So I don't know, is it the M2 Cs or the M2 Competition?

Feel free to make an 'educated guess':

[ChrisK]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Feel free to make an 'educated guess':
[PICTURE]

Exactly!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Edtex

One photo of the new M2 shows it to have a carbon fiber roof but it could simply be an artists rendition.

Of all pre-series M2 Competition I've seen on pictures and in videos, none featured the hallmark double-bubble CF roof shape (double-bubble CF roof shape = tell-tale sign for a CF roof hiding underneath ///M camo livery).

39 pre-test series M2 Competition (including several that are still scheduled to be built) feature option 403: glass sliding roof ("Glas Roof, Electric" - "Glasdach, Elektrisch").

Renders, on the contrary, often show design CF roofs.

If the M2 Competition features a CF roof (which I doubt), then kudos to BMW M for having managed to keep that feature totally out of public sight. CF roof might be reserved for the hardcore F87 M2, *if* ever released (2019-2020).

Check the difference in roofs on this Winter 2016-2017 picture: M2 test mule trailing an M5 test mule (you can partially spot the double-bubble CF roof shape on the M5, unlike on the M2):

[bim2er]

Originally Posted by Tag

I'd be surprised if they offer M buttons on the Competition or the CS for that matter. Thought I'd seen a tread while back that someone was trying to retro fit the buttons, but haven't seen or heard anything since.

Originally Posted by Tag

I'd be surprised if they offer M buttons on the Competition or the CS for that matter. Thought I'd seen a tread while back that someone was trying to retro fit the buttons, but haven't seen or heard anything since.

IMHO, retrofitting M buttons on an N55 that does not have software written for them is likely to be a lot more challenging than having M buttons on an S55 based M2 whatever.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Edtex

One photo of the new M2 shows it to have a carbon fiber roof but it could simply be an artists rendition. The "detuned" S55 on the new M2 will be the same basic engine as the M3/M4 however it will be tuned from the factory with less boost and other changes via the ECU software. Factory detuning can easily be reversed with performance tuning by such companies as Dinan. With all the goodies one can add 100hp to that engine (as I have done with my M4).

I'm number 5 on my dealers waiting list ($1,000 deposit).

If it's detuned only in software and it has all the needed cooling from the M4 then in theory a tune will match a tuned M4. Pretty good HP and TQ gain for a few dollars.

[Edtex]

Originally Posted by akkando

If it's detuned only in software and it has all the needed cooling from the M4 then in theory a tune will match a tuned M4. Pretty good HP and TQ gain for a few dollars.

On the M4 when going from a Dinan Stage 2 to the Dinan Stage 3 a larger Dinan Heat Exchanger is required for additional cooling.