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Curious to see what happens. The M3CS took an absolute beating on depreciation. New they were going for 25K off. Might have been different if they had a manual, but who knows... Seems like there are a lot of allocations available, which is the path the M3CS took and the initial buyers took an absolute bath on the car.
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09-11-2020, 07:59 PM | #24 |
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Look at general M3/M4 depreciation compared to M2 depreciation in the states. The M2 has generally fared much better percentage wise regardless.
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I'll kind of agree with ya on the Getrag 420G 6 speed installed in the e39 540-M5 and E46 M3, the 1-2 is queer, often doesn't feel right, and the E9x M also had a heavy second. But the current GS6 in the 1M M2 F8xM3-4 is the best manual BMW has ever made
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Yeah, I won't dispute that they finally decided to improve the shift into 2nd. The ZF gearbox in the Z4M also has a 1-2 denial / grind issue - it's actually really good other than that compared to most BMW MTs.
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The M2 CS will never be a 1M. IMO it will depreciate down to high 30s, low 40s over the next 5-10 years. I know that sounds bad, but that's exceptional in comparison to a 5 series costing just as much. It'll hold around there and then eventually shoot up in value somewhere around the 15-25 year mark. The M2 CS is an easy future classic but you'll have to wait over 20 years for that. If you want your cars to be fun investments, don't buy new.
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Edit: I do think that the M2CS has potential to travel a different path due to buyers perception that they will be collectible. Buyers buying them to be collectible, and thus holding onto them with a more firm grip. This could result in very low supply at any one time on the used market, which could bolster prices. It will be the dealership discounts that hurt the consumers if too many sit on the lots for too long and sell below MSRP. Selling very quickly, even if below msrp, won't have the negative impact. Last edited by medphysdave; 09-14-2020 at 10:12 AM.. |
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This is all such nonsense. This is a pro BMW forum. Let's keep our focus. Coming in and saying "brand X" is better does no one any good.
As to values and depreciation, buying a car is NEVER a good investment. At our level of discussion it's a emotional move. I bought a 1M new for $46k and maybe now it's worth $60k to someone. 9 years with that money invested anywhere would have been better! And look at most all Porsche's. They drop in value just like most all other cars before maybe rebounding. Some faster, some slower(nice 944's are still cheap). I bought my Z4M Coupes at maybe the right time but who cares? I drive them and enjoy them and in the meantime my stocks portfolio goes up. Buy the car you want and never take a piss on another mans dream car(unless it's a Prius or Miata, they are not "mans" cars). You guys who buy M2CS's remember what Tiff said, you'll be very happy with it.
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Doesn't the history of the m3/4 CS provide what the car will be then?
In 3 years how many of 466 will still be on the road? It seems a longer wait is needed, to see real value. |
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The M2 CS has substantial differentiation from the M2 Comp, but I reckon people will just buy a hood, paint it and call it a day, so who knows how its going to shake out.
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Looking at used M3 CS, MSRP was over 100k. One can be had for 60k ish. There are 7 on swapalease.com. The m3 CS depreciated like a "normal" car would when bought new.
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How are you getting 60K from the cars on there?
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Two separate sources. The buy market has them for 60k ish. Then in swap a lease has 7 available. 15,18 months left on those leases.
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The ones on autotrader are ~80k plus (not the ones listed as CS's that aren't actually CS's)... and the swapaleases are 1100-1300, which is more than 80k financed - residual wasn't declared on them that I could see... so I'm not sure still where you get 60k. EDIT: Found that RV was .67 for 24 months and .61 for 36 months for the leases versus 62/56 for standard M3/M4 from what I could find online through various sources. Lease residual does not make for sell price in market.
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Cheapest one on swapalease for what's left is 1090 for 16 months - 17,440, and then still has residual which comes off MSRP so that means the car is at least ~81K.
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