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know thy enemy well... Audi RS3...
Seeing how the M2 is still under a lot of mystery... Audi is rushing development of their RS3. Here it is seen testing on the 'Ring...
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I know the S3 Sedan is coming to USA and looks nice but only in automatic. The RS3 will definitely be a contender especially with the automatic crowd that just wants an automated 0-60 launch where Audi usually wins. When the old RS3 came out against the 1M, you could get a 1M stripper with clean dash and fixed suspension etc. So it was a no brainer...1M won out, but if they make the M2 all dynamic-soft-butt-idrive-active-soundish like the new cars, then there is less that will differentiate the two. On a different note, I find it interesting that many dismiss Audi because of the understeers. Many of us that prefer manual transmissions because of they way they drive are constantly confronted by the automatic fans that cling rapaciously .1 or .2 second faster 0-60 time saying things like "you'll end up in the slow lane with a manual. We say, we would rather give up .2 seconds of automated launch speed for the "feel" and enjoyment of the manual. The Audi is the ultimate 0-60 all wheel drive automated launch car that usually will destroy BMWs of the same price category. So I wonder if the automatic fans, why aren't they rushing out to buy this little beast? It will probably be faster that M2 0-60? Could it be that you value the "feel" and fun of rear wheel drive over the cold efficiency of all wheel drive automated launch cars? Maybe those of us that like manuals are not that different from you because if we were, no one here touting the DCT 0-60 time would even buy an M2 when the RS3 will be the ultimate 0-60 car. |
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The x-drive is far superior in at least feel and enjoyment..........and less understeer. |
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07-07-2014, 01:31 PM | #8 | |
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They normally talk about (race)track performance! And there a 0.3s advantage (0-60mph for the Audi) ... you give a shit about it If you really have a racestart from full stop it doesn't matter because you have N laps to go .... or for normal track days you don't have a start from full stop because it will wear your car unnessarily ... traffic light drag racing is for posers, idiots and kids Last edited by manuelf; 07-07-2014 at 01:38 PM.. |
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07-07-2014, 02:21 PM | #9 | |
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Don't get me wrong, it will still be balanced with a bias toward understeer, and it will still have typically numb Audi steering, but it will be blazingly fast. The fastest way around a track is to drive the car at the limit the greatest percentage of the time possible. For the vast majority of drivers (even pro drivers), it is easier to hang on the edge of the limit when a car is balanced toward understeer, because understeer correction is easy to execute, and the penalties aren't as severe. Understeer causes you to apex wide and scrub speed. Oversteer requires quick counter-steer correction and delicate throttle balance... and you still run wide. The difference is, oversteer can result in you facing the wrong direction on the track, while understeer cannot Obviously I'm playing devils advocate. I've cast my lot (RWD with oversteer plz!), and I'll take fun over tenths any day of the week. I try to keep a sense of perspective though.
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07-07-2014, 05:33 PM | #11 | |
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I used to drive Audi's all the time in Scotland until i drove a BMW with snow tyres in winter and discovered it was far better and fun to boot Audi styling used to be great, also VW but now they are all BLAND! |
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I think the RS3 looks AND sounds good in this video. The M2 is my choice out of the box so to speak, but if this makes it to the USA, I will definitely consider it.
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07-13-2014, 01:21 AM | #14 |
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Reports firming of the RS3 with 376 HP and a RS3 Plus version with 410 HP coupled with the phenomenal sound of the 5 cylinder engine will give this car huge street cred.
M2 is still my preference due primarily to looks, because I believe this next round of euro fighters - M2, CLA 45 Black, RS3, R400 and TT420 will all steer beautifully, so it could come down to badge preference and looks for many. |
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228i. .1 second difference 0 to 60 , manual vs auto
From BMW website Performance Automatic Acceleration 0-60 mph. 5.4 sec Manual Acceleration 0-60 mph. 5.5 sec
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As for me, I'd always rather shift the gears myself! |
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Good grief some of these posts... I think those of us that are true enthusiasts recognize how certain cars fit certain people based on where they live and what they want their car to accomplish. Anyway I for one am excited to see the RS3, especially if it comes in hatch form. While RWD is good for the track, a rear biased AWD is best for the wet and snowy roads I drive 70% of the year. There is strong rumor that the RS3 will have adjustable rear torque split. And that 5 cylinder OH YEAH it sounds so good!
http://fourtitude.com/news/audi-rumo...ter-escalates/ I miss my E90 M and it was great on track, but I don't really miss RWD for my driving now. BTW, at the 0:31 and 0:56 marks of this vid, doesn't look like understeer to me. Just because the car isn't smoking a sideways burn doesn't mean it is understeering Last edited by Transfer; 07-13-2014 at 10:33 PM.. |
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There is another coming...
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The M850i is evidence that BMW have got their mojo back when it comes to dynamic sports cars...
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07-15-2014, 11:13 PM | #22 |
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No. This one will be exclusively for Europe.
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The M850i is evidence that BMW have got their mojo back when it comes to dynamic sports cars...
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