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Disagree. On both counts.
The 1M was not more special than the E9x M3 because it had a standard turbo motor. It was very special because of its playful character, great handling, back to the basics approach. And it happened to be a limited run.
I disagree partially here. To some, the turbo motor was a massive differentiator and people welcomed the shorter chassis (for whatever reason) with a torquey motor.
While I'm super excited about the M2, I'm still waiting to see the final specs, including the price. I couldn't care less about standard features, don't want them. If you drive an F80, and then jump into the M235i, the size of the 2er felt so much more "right". It's so much more of a 1 to 1 replacement for my E36. That's not to say an F80 is off the menu for me.
I'll put it to you this way, I have a 1 series, had a 3... wish I could have a 3 again as it is a much better, much more stable chassis... the shorter chassis does nothing for the car other than make it more sloppy and squirrely. That very thing was said about the 1m. As far as weight, this is BMW... I wouldn't put any "weight on that".
P.S. I personally doubt that the car will start at 55k, but we'll see |
Moral of the story, some preferred the 1M over the M3 for very good reasons... there is little reason to prefer the M2 over the M3 especially if pricing isn't far off. It would be a completely different discussion if it wasn't a motor that has been recycled 10 times now and the M3 wasn't vastly superior. |
How can you accurately state something is "vastly superior" over something else when so you know so little about it? |
It has to do with brand cannibalization... common sense and pricing stategies would dicate so. |
Because something is priced higher than something else it must be superior? Because cannibalization?
An M5 is more expensive than an M3 so it must be "superior"? |
In some instances yes. The M5 has a better and more powerful engine and is faster (at least in a straightline). Part of the market segment says that must be the case... albeit there is a much bigger difference between an m3 and an m5 than there will between the m2 and m3. For starters, the m5 weighs more than an aircraft carrier, so my preference still lays in the m3... no matter what you're still getting a retuned n55... this car may be better than an m3 at an autocross but it ends there. |
We don't have any details about this engine. It could be more than just "retuned." I agree that the engine choice doesn't sound especially appealing, but I am reserving judgement until the final details are known. |
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